GC company affairs - on the right track?

  • oscar
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12 years 9 months ago
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Country Club..all those who put together the above please slap each other on the back over a cool Gin and Tonic!

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12 years 9 months ago
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May I ask Craig and LouisG a question?

I was lucky enough to visit Lingfield while I was in the UK recently and they are pulling up their 'old' Martin Collins polytrack surface which has served them well for 11 years now and replacing it with a new (also Martin Collins) surface (reason being that the fibres have aged and dried out a bit due to weather exposure and they want to refresh it).

Interestingly, they are selling the 'old' surface and when I asked where it was going and who was buying it, it turned out that most of the stuff was going to training yards (a lot of UK trainers have their own, private facilities, including their own tracks and a lot of them have their own polytrack surfaces to train on). In fact, the majority of the surface had already been sold and while we were there a young lad (presumably from a nearby training facility) also came round to enquire about buying some.

Anyway, my question is this - my equine therapy training led me to believe that one obviously trains across various surfaces, but that you primarily train for the surface you will end up competing on. In the UK, this obviously works well. A lot of guys have a choice of surfaces to train on at home and therefore their horses can be conditioned to a number of different surfaces.

I stand under correction, but my understanding is that poly is relatively close to a track surface (well, as a gross generalisation about half way between sand and grass). However, one still has to be careful to condition horses to the new surface gradually as the different surfaces offer different resistances, stresses and strains and hence one has to get used to the different ways they stress a body.

In PE, the proposed poly surface will be used as a training and racing surface, and if you want to train on the same surface you race on, that makes sense to me.

However, at Randjies we have a poly training surface and I assume from there the horses either race on the Vaal sand, or any of the grass surfaces available locally / within striking distance. How is that working out?

I assume that like the rest of the country, the majority of KZN horses train on sand, with occasional grass gallops. If a synthetic racing surface is put in at Greyville purely for racing purposes, I guess horses will be given synthetic track gallops the way horses go for grass gallops?

I'm a traditionalist and like grass tracks, but I guess that's mainly because they look pretty. Research certainly seems to suggest that a (properly managed and maintained) synthetic is a relatively safe racing surface.

I was just wondering how people felt and what the anecdotal experience was in terms of injuries with regard to switching racing and training surfaces?

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12 years 9 months ago
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can any body ask jeff woodruff what happen to the white horse on the magnificent polytrack at randjes? i nere that there are plenty break down and some trainer refuse to use this surface. the poly track is not the magic wand, we wave it and the problem go away. why louis g do we have all the problem today on the sand track at vaal that we dont have before. i am told many things but i promise i no repeat because then i get my informer in trouble.

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12 years 9 months ago
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Mike De Kock was talking about it awhile ago and I am sure the problem that he brought up was that the trainers had started off too fast up there. The guys were letting the horses go too fast on it before the horses had adapted to the new surface. He said they were getting a lot more soft tissue damage due to the horses over extending or the fast surface. We will be getting an all weather surface here (Summerveld) which will be the same as Greyville.

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12 years 9 months ago
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The registered Polytrack in Singapore is the best surface I have ridden on.
It is a happy medium between grass and sand and specialists of both surfaces do well on it. Very few horses will not take to a
Polytrack

Both Singapore + Korea had their own Sand tracks for racing but put in trial tracks of both Polytrack + Tapeta before making decisions on what to replace the Sand tracks with. Korea have stuck with their sand track for unknown reasons

I still believe that if not for the trial Polytrack that Herman Brown chose to use over the other surfaces, JayPeg would never have won the Singapore Cup as the rain hardly let up during our time there. Fibre track was under water + grass track was limited. We were able to do whatever work was needed regardless of weather conditions.

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12 years 9 months ago
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To quote from the article;

"For the past 15 years racing has faced stiff opposition from the casino industry which has eroded our income and the ability to build capital reserves and accumalate funds to upgrade our aging racing, training, IT and betting infrastructures."

So why do you have The Golden Horse Casino in Scottsville if casinos damage yr business???

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12 years 9 months ago
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Also explain why slot machines in every tote in KZN?

Lotto tickets on sale in every tote in KZN.

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12 years 9 months ago
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Polytrack imo is the way of the future - however I don't think it is as straight forward of laying it today and racing on it next month - so for once I think the authorities got it right when installing a 'trial' track a Randjies - where it has not been (as far as I know) an unqualified success and for sure there are trainers who do not use it - that does not mean that it should be done away with (of course one has to sympathize with those whose horses got injured and / or broke down) - imo it needs some refinement and it should hopefully prove OK :S

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12 years 9 months ago
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Has the Competition commision problems been solved? also heard some stuff about BEE ?

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12 years 9 months ago
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mikesack Wrote:
> Also explain why slot machines in every tote in
> KZN?
>
> Lotto tickets on sale in every tote in KZN.


In Cape Town i'ts the same, 5 slot machines per tote,
some people losing all their money before the first race has started

The question is;

Who owns those machines...and,

Where does their winnings go to?

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12 years 9 months ago
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so if horses are not trained on the same surface as at greyville then their chance of breaking down in racing conditions increase???

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Re: Re: GC company affairs - on the right track?

12 years 9 months ago
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forget about casinos and slot machines...the open bet is more destructive.

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