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Re: Re: ARC
11 years 8 months ago
2/1 orfevre
9/2 treve
8/1 kizuna ( japs)
9/1 Ruler of the world ( could be the one )
10/1 intello
Best bet on day moonlight cloud superb racehorse
9/2 treve
8/1 kizuna ( japs)
9/1 Ruler of the world ( could be the one )
10/1 intello
Best bet on day moonlight cloud superb racehorse
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Re: Re: ARC
11 years 8 months ago
The most common victims of "Paris Syndrome" are the Japanese. Paris syndrome is a transient psychological disorder encountered by some individuals visiting or vacationing in Paris. Some of the symptoms are delusion, depression hallucination, sweating, etc. That's why Japanese horses have never won the Arc and never will ! (
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
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Re: Re: ARC
11 years 8 months ago
Summarised from
www.rte.ie/sport/racing/european/2013/10...de-triomphe-preview/
Orfevres’s ability to quicken is probably his greatest attribute.
But for the car-park draw and the extra heavy ground covered when he hung badly and colliding with the outside rail, Orfevre would have been a convincing winner of last year's race.
Some would argue that Orfevre is an equine mad genius. In some race he carted his way to the front and then made a beeline for the outside rail, proving completely intractable but still finishing a half length second.
Treve is unbeaten in four. Like Zarkava, she completed the Diane-Vermeille double before she, Zarkava, landed the Arc. Treve smashed the course record by 10 secs in the Diane. In the Vermeille she found a turn of foot to extricate herself out of a pocket. Has an unfavourable draw.
Japanese Derby winner Kizuna’s short-head verdict over the English Derby winner Ruler Of The World in the Niel has been adjudged as fortunate by some. Ruler Of The World was boxed in twice and actually finished ahead of Kizuna after the post.
Ocovango was prominently ridden in the Niel, had a hard race and shouldn’t be turning the form around.
Former Arc favourite Flintshire marked himself out as a contender for this race with an impressive win at Chantilly in June and then installed favourite following his scintillating success in the Grand Prix de Paris. However, he does appear utterly ground dependent. His chances would increase immeasurably in the event of the going becoming fast which seems highly unlikely.
Earlier in the season Leading Light had been winning over ten furlongs, albeit against weakish opposition and remains unbeaten. He also landed the unorthodox double of the Queen's Vase at Royal Ascot and the St. Leger. It is difficult to assess how good he really is as he is very lazy. This is his first stiff start against the best and will probably be ridden prominently.
Intello may possess a little too much speed. His victory in the Prix du Jockey Club was visually impressive and was backed up by a good time, but the poor subsequent form of those behind the winner is a cause for concern. He will be ridden by Pelsier (won more Arc's than any other who are riding today) and trained by Fabre the leading all-time trainer with 7 wins. However, Fabre’s doubts on the colt’s stamina and the manner in which he has been campaigned since the Prix du Jockey Club are disconcerting.
Al Kazeem has almost run as many times this term as he did in his first three years in training. He has won 3 from 6 this year with all his defeats coming from a left-handed track and his three other victories were Group 1's. A step back up to an easy 12 furlongs should be well within his compass. He has been running every month since April and has a poor draw.
The likes of Very Nice Name, Pirika, Going Somewhere, Haya Landa and Dunaden are obviously inferior to Orfevre, but they’ve racked up some decent results between them and they’ve achieved that form by using their stamina.
The one to note might just be Going Somewhere, who should really being going nowhere if his odds are to be believed. Going Somewhere is from South America. He won Argentina's biggest race and then two modest places before travelling to the Arc. He doesn’t celebrate his fourth birthday in real terms until 20 October, yet he’s going to have to carry 7lbs more than colts he’s six months older than, while he receives just 1lb from those he’s six months junior to. He may well be running in this race a year too soon. Has a good draw.
Orfevres’s ability to quicken is probably his greatest attribute.
But for the car-park draw and the extra heavy ground covered when he hung badly and colliding with the outside rail, Orfevre would have been a convincing winner of last year's race.
Some would argue that Orfevre is an equine mad genius. In some race he carted his way to the front and then made a beeline for the outside rail, proving completely intractable but still finishing a half length second.
Treve is unbeaten in four. Like Zarkava, she completed the Diane-Vermeille double before she, Zarkava, landed the Arc. Treve smashed the course record by 10 secs in the Diane. In the Vermeille she found a turn of foot to extricate herself out of a pocket. Has an unfavourable draw.
Japanese Derby winner Kizuna’s short-head verdict over the English Derby winner Ruler Of The World in the Niel has been adjudged as fortunate by some. Ruler Of The World was boxed in twice and actually finished ahead of Kizuna after the post.
Ocovango was prominently ridden in the Niel, had a hard race and shouldn’t be turning the form around.
Former Arc favourite Flintshire marked himself out as a contender for this race with an impressive win at Chantilly in June and then installed favourite following his scintillating success in the Grand Prix de Paris. However, he does appear utterly ground dependent. His chances would increase immeasurably in the event of the going becoming fast which seems highly unlikely.
Earlier in the season Leading Light had been winning over ten furlongs, albeit against weakish opposition and remains unbeaten. He also landed the unorthodox double of the Queen's Vase at Royal Ascot and the St. Leger. It is difficult to assess how good he really is as he is very lazy. This is his first stiff start against the best and will probably be ridden prominently.
Intello may possess a little too much speed. His victory in the Prix du Jockey Club was visually impressive and was backed up by a good time, but the poor subsequent form of those behind the winner is a cause for concern. He will be ridden by Pelsier (won more Arc's than any other who are riding today) and trained by Fabre the leading all-time trainer with 7 wins. However, Fabre’s doubts on the colt’s stamina and the manner in which he has been campaigned since the Prix du Jockey Club are disconcerting.
Al Kazeem has almost run as many times this term as he did in his first three years in training. He has won 3 from 6 this year with all his defeats coming from a left-handed track and his three other victories were Group 1's. A step back up to an easy 12 furlongs should be well within his compass. He has been running every month since April and has a poor draw.
The likes of Very Nice Name, Pirika, Going Somewhere, Haya Landa and Dunaden are obviously inferior to Orfevre, but they’ve racked up some decent results between them and they’ve achieved that form by using their stamina.
The one to note might just be Going Somewhere, who should really being going nowhere if his odds are to be believed. Going Somewhere is from South America. He won Argentina's biggest race and then two modest places before travelling to the Arc. He doesn’t celebrate his fourth birthday in real terms until 20 October, yet he’s going to have to carry 7lbs more than colts he’s six months older than, while he receives just 1lb from those he’s six months junior to. He may well be running in this race a year too soon. Has a good draw.
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Re: Re: ARC
11 years 8 months ago
some nice stuff...especially Paris Syndrome.....:
...thanks Mac...(tu)

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Re: Re: ARC
11 years 8 months ago
Last 10 Arcs, first two home drawn 1 through 8 in 15 of 20 possibilities
17 of last 23 Arcs won by 3yo, only one older than 4 in last 24 runnings.
The fav is 5
17 of last 23 Arcs won by 3yo, only one older than 4 in last 24 runnings.
The fav is 5
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