Flamingo Park Monday

Tudor Star is my place bet - I'll also float her with F in the exacta

Space Girl is a horse I always keep an eye on - I've taken places at about 9 to 1.

I've never posted on ABC because I find that someone always picks a victim to try rock the boat but I see that yesterday I was that victim. I see Robert Brogan has had alot to say about me so I would like to clear things up.

Bob is right I do not give out stable info for these reasons.
1) I am the assistant trainer and it is not my place to do so therefore I'm not allowed.
2) Anyone that is an owner , I'm sure would prefer a stable that does not give out all it's info to just anyone that could steal the price as they are the ones that pay the bills and are entitled to the info.

Bob goes as far as to say that I should give blah blah info out, Well Bob I'm not a Blah Blah type of guy. I'm a straight forward and honest person and I'm sure anyone in racing would prefer me been honest by saying I can't give them the info instead of lying , bullshitting and giving them the wrong horses to back.

With regards to embracing social media and been transparent , I'm to be corrected but out of all the stables on course in Kimberley, I think I'm the one that provides the most updates as to what is going on in Kimberley , eg: Weather, Track, pictures and horses well being and working, all on Facebook. I always post updates with whatever I'm able to for the public and I'm sure there are people out there that appreciates my efforts.

With regards to my father giving comments for first call on all our horses!! I did not watch first call but I find it very strange because nor my father or I gave any comments for first call for this past race meeting. The only comment my father gave was at the races regarding Crest Of Honour in the first race. So if this is true then I'm not sure where they getting their info from for first call but it was not from us. However when my father does give out our stable info for first call that is his decision and right as the trainer and does not mean that he needs to now go post it on all public forms.

However I'm not going to resort to name calling as you have but I'm going to rather offer you some good advise. Be very careful of where you get your info from and who your sauces are and triple check the facts before following suit and resorting to name calling because I think you receiving bad info or should I say BLAH BLAH info. This will only resort in you make yourself look bad with commenting on false information.

Lastly if you do want to resort to name calling like Tarzan Rugg then please grow a pair and make the trip out to Kimberley and say it to my face then maybe you can see how much of a Tarzan I really am.

You know what they say, If they not talking about you then that is when you should worry.. So thank you.

Welcome to the forum Jarrett

Just a reminder that punters( who fund the pools that pay your salary) are desperate for transparency

Jarrett you should edit the bit at the end of your posting, as the nhra may feel that you as a licensed assistant trainer have just threatened someone on a public forum and social media

Can someone explain to Jarrett, that the small owners in mike bass, joey ramsden, brett crawford yards to name a few, don't stop there trainers from giving there opinion on there runners as it is to the betterment of the game.
Its not rocket science ffs transparency = turnover
But keep your head in the sand and wait for the inevitable, another racecourse closed
Very Sad

Imo anyone listening to any "insider stable info" might as well rather just donate their hard earned cash to a charity...you will eventually be broke in any case so you may as well just rather go down with a good deed...

"Grow a pair" if you think there are still people out there that will give you good and trustworthy info for free... You looking in the wrong industry ...in this universe they are few and far between...

My advise...not being in a position to give any...do the graft yourself and let the data talk to you whether

A) a horse is well,
has been working well
C) is in the right race
D) over the right distance
E) with the right jockey,
F) at the right price,

My opinion not even 5 % of the countries trainers knows that themselves entering a race...but I am allowed my opinion...

We live in a world where only now " Big Data" is possible... Only now we have the data AND more importantly the capacity to process is...start making use of your opportunities and get " the edge" ...don't ask for " the edge"

Nice reply loopy ,but for all your systems to work the punter must be informed at the well being of all runners imo..

Withholding the fact that a horse has missed work can be as big a benefit to a punter or analyist than being told to put n take a runner..

I have never asked any trainer or owner " whats good " in my life and never will.

But i will never change my mind when i read or hear a trainer or assistant say "in for for stable insiders only" or similar words

Kimberley especially is in soapy bubble, trainers are starving, the place needs to be sorted out

Bob to answer that question "well being of all runners" personally I let the data answer me rather...in the long run it is way more trustworthy than a trainer imo... How many times have heard from the trainer the "wellbeing is not good" and the "horse has not been working well the last week... " we had some interruptions in the stable due to ", etc. and then the horse shits in... " and analyzing the data you see the horse has:

A) been backed in just before the off
in most cases has run within 18-35 days of it's previous run
C) has a jockey booking that means business

to name just a few indicators I would rather make my decision on...

I let the data talk to me rather ...not the Trainer...data don't lie...

Loopy,to say anyone listening to any info will go broke is a mighty big statement to make.
How do you know what is divulged and who gets any info from any stable.
It's the deciphering of what your told that is the key,your system can't tell me if a colt is walking around the paddock with he's wedding tackle out and he's mind is on something else
or there was heavy traffic on the motorway and a runner has been in a box for 6 hours.
But if you know the owner or trainer they can reveal this info.
Or maybe you can,do you take into consideration with your data if a horse has been recently gelded.

Loopy, of course the farking data lies otherwise we would all get every winner 90% of the time! And no your system is not that good! lol And I can remember very few horses winning after the trainer has said the horse will need the run. Of course it happens occasionally, horses are not machines after all as many have stated

People like Vee change the Pick 6 rules and say study harder! Behave! lol How much time do these people think the average punter has these days? And how are they expected to know that a horse is not fully tuned up for a race etc? Most punters have jobs and families and not every punter is a pro, many do it for fun in the hope of winning and as a "hobby". But they should still have every right to believe they punt on an even playing field.

Just at the weekend, I believe, Justin Snaith stated that he often sends horses out and uses the run to replace gallops. I have no problem with that (though Rob may say in contravenes the rules) provided he tells us so. But, he doesn't tell us does he? So which of his horses are, say, having a gallop and are potentially not fully tuned up? And however good your system may be Loopy, it won't tell punters that either. I actually Justin Snaith comes over as being a pretty decent guy but that does not mean he couldn't help the punters much more than is currently the case.

Seemingly, Loopy has a very good system which suits his style of betting but, imho (and nothing against you bud) he often seems to "forget" that many people do not have the luxury of the time, money and perhaps intelligence to formulate and then use such a system. Nor do many of us like betting in such a manner or primarily doing place bets. I like to win but it is not the be all and end all for me, I enjoy working out the puzzle.

Jarett, I commend you for at least coming on and stating your opinion etc. It will come as no surprise to you that I almost entirely disagree with you though name-calling etc I agree has no place (though I thought tarzan was quite tame and raised a smile in fun rather than mocking ). So, please take what follows as a response from an increasingly irate and frustrated punter, it is not personal, it is a plea for change if anything so hopefully horse racing can continue in something of its current form for many years to come.

You speak of victims and I fail to see that. Who is being victimised? I for one speak openly of some stables I don't trust, find difficult to read or find the consistency of certain stables "baffling" to put it nicely. But, any and/or all are welcome to tell me I am wrong and demonstrate how and why. Why do they not? Can't be bothered perhaps? Can't justify themselves perhaps? Wouldn't lower themselves to respond to a moaning old punter/clanner perhaps? Whatever the reason, the simple fact is silence only fuels doubt and increases speculation. That is no good for racing and surely the aim of all is the betterment of racing. No? (Of course the answer is "no", many are in it only for themselves and that is the problem... imho )

You also talk of the owners deserve the info because they are the ones who are paying for the horse etc and why should others steal their price? Come on, steal their price? Seriously?? Whose money do you think it is that they are "winning" (or imo "stealing") when they go to collect? It sure ain't the bookies money, it is money from the pockets of fools like me who continue to put money into the industry to possibly allow these owners to buy even more horses etc! There is only ever one loser with such owners and that is the punter. How many bookies do you think there would be if every non-owner stopped punting? I have said it many times, let the owners have the opening price, I care not if they back a 66/1 opening price into 1/2. Do Oscar, Peter, Nik etc as owners who are good enough to contribute on ABC miss the opening price? I doubt very much they relay their info before they have a punt and fair enough too, as I say, no issue at all with that. So, let the owners have that price and then someone can inform the punters an hour later. I, as a punter, can then make an informed decision. But, how often do the connections not take the opening price but let it drift while punters not in the know back a horse that, just an example, at best will only run second? Do you really think that is fair and ethical?

Jarett for the good of racing and it's future, you must (imho) change your outlook and do all you can to persuade others to do the same. I have been punting for 30 years and I am close to stopping. Many on here have been punting longer than me, new blood seems few and far between. I just don't find it much fun any more and that is in part, quite a big part, because I am tired of feeling that too many races have a couple of horses where one or two know something while 1000s know nothing. That is ethically wrong imho. I am not asking to be told you think a horse will win, I am asking that you tell us if a horse is 100% fit, or has had an issue or will need the run or is having a "gallop", or work has shown great improvement etc etc. Read the Ramsden, Bass, Sham etc comments and that will give you a fair idea of all that I (and others) are asking (Loopy I can't believe you find their comments of no help?!).

As all clanners know, I could go on and on and on lol but that is more than enough!

I have no reason to believe that you are not what you say you are Jarett, as in being honest and straight forward. Given those character traits, can you in all honesty say I am being unreasonable?

Good post Englander .. Loopy and you can have your opinion , which is imo derogatory to traners and more especially to the one's who post here saying most dont know what is going on in their stable . Every race day winners are tipped on this site by whoever from info heard or posted..