These horses love Starbucks......

maybe bob can put up the pigjuice and cobalt cases just to refresh peoples memories that doping doesnt just occur in so called weaker centres and desperate trainers ..never read so much shit..also the top ten trainer this season who got a600k fine while you at it

pirates wrote: maybe bob can put up the pigjuice and cobalt cases just to refresh peoples memories that doping doesnt just occur in so called weaker centres and desperate trainers ..never read so much shit..also the top ten trainer this season who got a600k fine while you at it

Did I not have to delete them because someone ( I'm not saying deliberately) lost or mucked up the results ?

Not expert but is caffeine really a drug for a horse?

Its amazing how everyone is all of a sudden a so called expert on "doping" offenses when they in fact know noting about the background of this case

The only one who speaks any sense or has made a logical comment is Dean321.

Most disappointing Bob is some of your comments directed directly at the trainer such as ban him when you profess to have in depth knowledge of the racing industry but are actually showing your complete ignorance of the scenario and not taking any time to think about this logically

As Dean321 has said does anyone really believe that a trainer in his right mind would purposely give horses caffeine all in this limited period of time. As stated it would be suicide. There is absolutely no evidence of caffeine having any performance enhancing attributes on a racehorse especially in such small quantities so why would a trainer even bother doing it.

All the conspiracy theorists can believe what they like but the fact is that there was a contamination of the horse feed which comes from one specific supplier who I will not name. The authorities have done random out of racing testing of some other trainers using the same feed supplier and they got positive results for caffeine as well. What will happen as a result of that I cant say as its in the authorities hands.The feed supplier is aware of the problem but ultimately its not their issue as the trainer is deemed the one responsible for the horses care even if they are totally unaware that this banned substance was in the food source that they trusted.

You would have thought that the authorities may have taken these circumstances into account but clearly they happy to perform witch hunts on soft targets in the name of doing their jobs when there are in fact far more serious offences taking place.

Its fully accepted that Caffeine is a banned substance under NHRA rules which is understandable but it has in no way been purposely administered or done with sinister intent.

Is the trainer guilty of training the horses that tested positive for caffeine, the answer is obviously YES

Is the trainer guilty of purposefully administering the substance with sinister intent, the answer is unequivocally NO !

I am one of the registered owners of two of the horses found positive and can categorically state there was nothing untoward that took place here. There was no big betting moves or any large stakes wagered so nothing points towards any unlawful gain. I am giving the facts, whether all the mudslingers who hide behind pseudonyms choose to believe them or not is entirely their choice

This is just a very unfortunate situation which has unfairly landed in the lap of of upstanding and honest trainer.

Bob Brogan wrote:

pirates wrote: maybe bob can put up the pigjuice and cobalt cases just to refresh peoples memories that doping doesnt just occur in so called weaker centres and desperate trainers ..never read so much shit..also the top ten trainer this season who got a600k fine while you at it

Did I not have to delete them because someone ( I'm not saying deliberately) lost or mucked up the results ?

ok, i get your point,but just remember i read about the cobalt issues here,but no names were mentioned and until today i still don't know who the guilty parties were, i could guess,but obviously guessing could get one into trouble.

Dave Scott wrote: Not expert but is caffeine really a drug for a horse?

hasnt james goodman got a pending supreme court issue with a positive regarding caffeine?

Thank you for the post Mr Denysschen and the clarification it would certainly appears you have been treated unfairly by both the forum and more importantly by the powers that be .

Was this not a second offence as stated above ?

G Denysschen wrote: Its amazing how everyone is all of a sudden a so called expert on "doping" offenses when they in fact know noting about the background of this case

The only one who speaks any sense or has made a logical comment is Dean321.

Most disappointing Bob is some of your comments directed directly at the trainer such as ban him when you profess to have in depth knowledge of the racing industry but are actually showing your complete ignorance of the scenario and not taking any time to think about this logically

As Dean321 has said does anyone really believe that a trainer in his right mind would purposely give horses caffeine all in this limited period of time. As stated it would be suicide. There is absolutely no evidence of caffeine having any performance enhancing attributes on a racehorse especially in such small quantities so why would a trainer even bother doing it.

All the conspiracy theorists can believe what they like but the fact is that there was a contamination of the horse feed which comes from one specific supplier who I will not name. The authorities have done random out of racing testing of some other trainers using the same feed supplier and they got positive results for caffeine as well. What will happen as a result of that I cant say as its in the authorities hands.The feed supplier is aware of the problem but ultimately its not their issue as the trainer is deemed the one responsible for the horses care even if they are totally unaware that this banned substance was in the food source that they trusted.

You would have thought that the authorities may have taken these circumstances into account but clearly they happy to perform witch hunts on soft targets in the name of doing their jobs when there are in fact far more serious offences taking place.

Its fully accepted that Caffeine is a banned substance under NHRA rules which is understandable but it has in no way been purposely administered or done with sinister intent.

Is the trainer guilty of training the horses that tested positive for caffeine, the answer is obviously YES

Is the trainer guilty of purposefully administering the substance with sinister intent, the answer is unequivocally NO !

I am one of the registered owners of two of the horses found positive and can categorically state there was nothing untoward that took place here. There was no big betting moves or any large stakes wagered so nothing points towards any unlawful gain. I am giving the facts, whether all the mudslingers who hide behind pseudonyms choose to believe them or not is entirely their choice

This is just a very unfortunate situation which has unfairly landed in the lap of of upstanding and honest trainer.

The link I posted from a study in Florida 2005 seems to confirm this

Yes it was a second offence as stated but at the time of the first offence the food from the same supplier was pinpointed as a problem but the matter was taken no further as it was very hard to prove and I am not aware if the authorities at that time did any random testing. It was also round about the same time as James Goodman picked up his problem and another JHB trainer who I cant recall at present. The evidence is now without doubt that it is a food contamination issue. However that doesnt help the trainer as he is held liable as the horse are in his care. At the time of James Goodmans offence you will recall he rightly pleaded his innocence but was slated and branded for the offence. I assure these are unfortunate circumstances out of the trainers hands. Lets see what happens in James's supreme court case and whether he is hopefully exhonerated.

Cheers for the reply, but we can only go on what has been reported in the NHRA reports!

What next, will you guys take the nhra to a hgher court to clear your name?

I am not in KZN but all my contacts the tell me the same story That the feed is
the cause of the problem and it comes from a smaller supplier
This does not mean that it cannot happen from a large manufacturer of feed
Remember James Maree losing horses and he has never recovered
One of the largest suppliers in the UK also had problems

The cobalt situation was different
That was administered
But the BIGGEST trainers and Owners were affected so a technical problem arose
Different strokes for different okes!