No Whip debate

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Re: No Whip debate

6 years 5 months ago
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I actually don`t think it`s a much of an issue in SA

I can only think of a few Jocks who go crazy with the whip ( BF, WA and KZ)

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Re: No Whip debate

6 years 5 months ago
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Won't see more of a panel beating than poor old Al Sahem in the July imo...
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Re: No Whip debate

6 years 5 months ago
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Craig Eudey wrote: I think hitting behind the saddle should go as many jockeys hit too low and hit the horse's flank which is extremely sensitive. A tap down the shoulder to urge him on and to straighten him would be as far as I go.
.....not singling the Peruvian in particular...... who got 2 whip abuse fines in the space of 3 days....on the 1st infraction was clearly seen missing the rump and chopping at the belly.....:oops:
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Re: No Whip debate

6 years 5 months ago
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WA ? from which province ?

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Re: No Whip debate

6 years 5 months ago
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Take a look at London News and Wolf Power rides on ABC met threads and compare with jocks now who are known to overuse the stick - Had some of these guys hit the front in the met I'm sure they would have doubled the whipping - notice how top jocks show the stick rather than use it as a beating tool
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Re: No Whip debate

6 years 5 months ago
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With this debate raging, surely there is some responsibility on broadcasters, media and spokespeople to try and clean up some of the language around the crop.

Hearing a commentator proclaiming that a horse is "receiving a few cracks' in your premier three-year-old Group 1 and saying the same thing in the head-on probably isn't going to do good things for the perception around it.

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Re: No Whip debate

6 years 5 months ago
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The BHA confirmed on Saturday plans to launch a review next month into its regulation of the whip and to consider if the deterrents are sufficiently strong on the sport's showpiece days.

Racing’s governing body and regulator moved to quash speculation regarding an imminent raising of penalties for big-race whip infringements, and stressed any new rules might not even be in place in time for the Cheltenham Festival in March.

Having on Wednesday made public the findings of its review into equine deaths at this year’s festival, which also received negative coverage due to a number of high-profile whip bans, the BHA will now turn its attention to the future of the whip.

The BHA statement said: "The BHA stated in March that we would be looking at penalties for whip offences to ensure they present a sufficient deterrent, especially in higher-profile races. We have been continuing to monitor data in 2018, and now that the Cheltenham review has been published we are in a position to consider how to progress this issue.

"This process will start in January, when we will begin putting timelines in place and properly scoping out the project. Before any final decisions are made a full and proper process will be followed which will include gathering the views of participants."

The statement added a welfare strategy for next year would also likely consider the use of the whip. It said: "As we said this week, a new welfare board will be working with the BHA on a industry welfare strategy in 2019. That board, when formed, will no doubt consider all aspects of welfare, which may include the use of the whip in British racing – but no decisions have yet been made."

Confirmation that the views of racing professionals would be taken into account by the BHA during the review was welcomed by Paul Struthers, the chief executive of the Professional Jockeys Association.

He said: “We’ve been assured by the BHA that no decisions have been made and that they want to work with jockeys not against them, which was good to hear.”

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Re: No Whip debate

6 years 5 months ago
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Zzzzzzzzz........If only reforms were introduced as quickly as new taxes.

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6 years 3 months ago
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Re: No Whip debate

4 years 7 months ago - 4 years 7 months ago
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Garrick wrote: Couple of points with regard to horse care :

1.) As mentioned in another post - spurs were used on racehorses until well into the last century. I am sure there was a loud whinge from the usual morons when they were outlawed.

2.) The 'Horse Whisperer' has taken the 'break' out of 'breaking in' horses and shown that the previous, inhumane but widely accepted method of rendering a horse compliant can be achieved in a caring fashion.

3.) I have no problem with 'showing the whip' to guide a horse.

4.) I have a big problem with the uncontrolled panel beating going on in South African racing at present; an issue which I first started commenting on after the 2016 July meeting. I have lost count of the number of jockeys I have observed flailing away on a horse which is clearly tiring and dropping away through the field. Consequently I endorse Louis Goosen's very valid questions regarding who, if anybody, is actually regulating racing.

I only have one horse left in training. It will be my last as the 'game' is now a grubby, uncontrolled, over priced circus offering almost no pleasure and certainly no pleasant social interaction and camaraderie. My personal rules are simple:

a.) 'Rest' is not a four letter word.
b.) You had better have a very good reason if you administer any/most medications to my horse.
c.) The use of the whip ( yes - it's a WHIP) on my animal is strictly prohibited. Jockeys are under no obligation to ride for me if they cannot comply.
d.) No horse of mine will ever race as a two year old & may only debut as a late three year old. I'm not in this game to fatten up vets and even the brain dead should know that a horse only reaches maturity at 5. So what's the hurry?

My source influence in 'how to treat horses' was formulated in the 1970's by the Countess Of Kenmare. She imported and raced a number of Australian fillies in the Cape. Older racing fans might remember [b]Miss Lindeman[/b], Miss International & Marysa to name a few. The Countess had a strict 'no stick' policy which didn't stop her horses winning a slew of Grade 1 races.

The winner of the first race at Kenilworth, Bereave can trace its roots to Miss Lindeman. From the family of Priceless Asset, Bilateral, etc.
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