Fears and thoughts in South Africa
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4 years 3 months ago
PE situation is another shocker on wrong priorities .
The place is becoming a shit house as they concentrate on name change 😢
The place is becoming a shit house as they concentrate on name change 😢
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4 years 3 months agoif u have 85 minutes to spare. great watch.
If u staying in SA for the long haul. Put ur money overseas and prepare to roll up ur sleeves, get dirty and fight for everything going forward.
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4 years 3 months agoTNaicker wrote: Among the many valuable things stated in your post, there is one slight correction...final score was 87-10 in the Bulls / EP match...
Point taken and I was posting after 3-4 glasses of Chenin Blanc and thought that EP got a 10% discount because they had not played for over a year;)
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4 years 3 months agoDave Scott wrote: PE situation is another shocker on wrong priorities .
The place is becoming a shit house as they concentrate on name change 😢
It makes looking forward to Cheltenham next week more important.
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4 years 3 months ago - 4 years 3 months ago
Perchance, I just heard CR7's "smell the coffee" comment...have to call out his smug arrogance...he and the other Thiefs in Chief and public sector employees can "smell the coffee" as they have not lost their livelihoods in the last year of lockdowns...dumbtist id10ts the lot of them...
And the public sector unions are demanding CPI + 4% for next collective bargaining agreement...with the private sector that generates economic growth having shed about 3 million jobs (and the taxes that go with that), expect more money printing by the SARB to provide liquidity to fund this insanity...and the inflation to follow in the years to come will hurt everyone (the poorest most) and see a return to mid-teen interest rates of 10-15 years ago...
Dumbtist id10ts...
And the public sector unions are demanding CPI + 4% for next collective bargaining agreement...with the private sector that generates economic growth having shed about 3 million jobs (and the taxes that go with that), expect more money printing by the SARB to provide liquidity to fund this insanity...and the inflation to follow in the years to come will hurt everyone (the poorest most) and see a return to mid-teen interest rates of 10-15 years ago...
Dumbtist id10ts...
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IVERMECTIN TO FURTHER LOWER SA COVID NUMBERS...…………….PROFESSORS RECOMMEND USE WITHOUT WAITING FOR VACCINES...…..
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4 years 3 months ago - 4 years 3 months agomikesack wrote: IVERMECTIN TO FURTHER LOWER SA COVID NUMBERS...…………….PROFESSORS RECOMMEND USE WITHOUT WAITING FOR VACCINES...…..
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That can be a great advantage, because then it can break the transmission chain and it also may shorten the isolation period. To find a drug that within maybe a few days of treatment, you can be free of the virus is very valuable. The bottom line is that actually it's really acting well. It's shortened the viral shedding period. Therefore, if we are going to adopt it, people can be isolated for a shorter time. And therefore, we think that it really can help to break the transmission chain.”
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On their plan for the use of Ivermectin:
“Our plan is to go to people at high-risk. That means people older than 50, with some risk factors like obesity, hypertension and diabetes, and to give to the drugs specifically to this group of the population, to see whether we can prevent hospitalisation. To give it at the early stage of the disease - when they're still at home - to see whether the admission rate will diminish, if you compare it to the placebo.”
On Ivermectin as a prophylaxis:
“The other way to use it is as a prophylaxis. When I say prophylaxis, it means if you have somebody who was verified to have the disease and he has a family around him, you give it to the other family members immediately. This will allow [us] to see whether you really can reduce the number of new infections in this case. It can act, in a way, like a vaccine. I think that this is the importance of the disease. I know that around the world (in many places) the drug is given. However, without good evidence for it. I think governments - especially in the West - where they have more budget to use for it, we should continue and conduct properly done studies to show really the effectiveness of the drug.”
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Ivermectin, a medicine authorized by INVIMA to treat patients with mild, asymptomatic or suspicious Covid-19.
Professor Eli Schwartz on his Ivermectin research:
“We decided to go for Ivermectin, because as part of the tropical institute, we know the drug well. We know the safety profile of the drug and when Covid-19 started and there was some new data showing that in vitro, it's highly effective against the coronavirus. So, we decided to go for it. Just to remind you, at that time, most of the world was running for the hydroxychloroquine as the saviour of the world. We decided to go for something else.
My decision was to go for the early stage of the disease, to see whether it's can act a bit like a vaccine. That means if you give it at the early stage - it doesn't matter if the patient is mild, ill or even asymptomatic - maybe you can shorten the, let's call it the viremic phase, the phase of which the virus is shedding and contaminating the environment.
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There are some people who, even if a vaccine is available, they cannot get it. So you'll have a subpopulation who continue to shed the virus and infect each other. For example, to use this drug in schools, whenever you have one case in a classroom and you give it and prevent the spread of the disease is highly important. Not to forget - especially if we are talking to South Africa - with the variant - there are suspicions that the vaccine will not cover it properly. This is the situation now. Nobody knows what's going to happen in the future. Do we have new mutations with more variability? Perhaps the vaccine will be less effective? I think to have an antiviral agent is highly important in so severe a disease. We hope we will not need it in the future. But for now, I think we urgently need and to continue to work on Ivermectin.
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Pro Vaxxers need to roll up their sleeves ……………….and cross their fingers and curl the toes.:whistle:
www.businessinsider.co.za/south-africa-v...tudy-mutation-2021-3
Study finds Pfizer and Moderna’s shots 10 times less effective against SA’s dominant variant
Dr. Catherine Schuster-Bruce , Business Insider US
Mar 08, 2021, 09:13 PM
Moderna
Boxes containing Moderna Covid-19 vaccine. (Via Getty)
Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna's Covid-19 shots were at least 10 times less effective against the coronavirus variant first found in South Africa, in a new study.
A small lab study – using real versions of the coronavirus – found much lower levels of protective antibodies in both cases.
A mutation on the variant called E484K appeared to be a "major contributor," the study authors said.
Visit Business Insider SA for more stories.
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Covid-19 vaccines from Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech appear significantly less effective against the coronavirus variant first found in South Africa, a lab study has suggested.
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The percentage of protective antibodies that neutralised the variant, called B.1.35, was 12.4 times lower for Moderna's Covid-19 shot than against the original coronavirus, and 10.3 times lower for Pfizer's, the study authors said.
This was a bigger drop than in previous lab studies testing the vaccines against manufactured forms of the variant, they said. For this study, the researchers used real forms of the variant taken from people who had caught the virus.
B.1.351 was first detected in South Africa in October 2020. It has since spread to at least 42 countries. Data suggests it is the dominant variant in South Africa.
The researchers found that the antibody activity from both vaccines was "essentially unchanged" against the variant first found in the UK, B.1.1.7.
The scientists, from Columbia University, also tested lab-made viruses that had certain mutations. They said that one specific mutation, E484K, appeared to be a "major contributor" to the B.1.351 variant's ability to evade the antibody response. E484K is not usually present in B.1.1.7, the variant first found in the UK.
The study has been accepted by science journal Nature but not yet published.
Taking samples from the real world
In the experiment, scientists took 10 blood samples from people who had received two doses of Pfizer's vaccine, 28 days after their second dose, and 12 samples from those who had received two doses of Moderna's vaccine, 43 days after their second dose. They then compared how well antibodies in the blood samples "neutralised" the original coronavirus, compared to real-life B.1.1.7 and B.1.351 coronavirus variants.
The sample size was small, and the antibody response is just one aspect of the immune response, so it remains unclear how well the vaccines work against the variant first found in South Africa in real-life.
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Pfizer has conducted petri-dish tests before that showed a less potent antibody response against a lab-made coronavirus variant that mimicked the variant first found in South Africa. It was not the exact B.1.351 variant.
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Moderna ran similar tests, and said that its vaccine held up well against the mutations found in B.1.1.7, the variant first found in the UK, but less well against the mutations found in B.1.351, the variant first identified in South Africa. Again, it used lab-made variants.
Both companies said in January they were developing booster shots specifically to tackle the B.1.351 variant.
Neither of the vaccines has been properly tested against the variant first found in South Africa in the real-world.
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In Israel, Pfizer's vaccine has been shown to be highly effective against the B.1.1.7 variant, first found in the UK. About 80% of Israelis with Covid-19 are infected with B.1.1.7.
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The Covid-19 vaccine from Johnson & Johnson was less effective in the clinical trials that took place in South Africa.
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www.businessinsider.co.za/south-africa-v...tudy-mutation-2021-3
Study finds Pfizer and Moderna’s shots 10 times less effective against SA’s dominant variant
Dr. Catherine Schuster-Bruce , Business Insider US
Mar 08, 2021, 09:13 PM
Moderna
Boxes containing Moderna Covid-19 vaccine. (Via Getty)
Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna's Covid-19 shots were at least 10 times less effective against the coronavirus variant first found in South Africa, in a new study.
A small lab study – using real versions of the coronavirus – found much lower levels of protective antibodies in both cases.
A mutation on the variant called E484K appeared to be a "major contributor," the study authors said.
Visit Business Insider SA for more stories.
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Covid-19 vaccines from Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech appear significantly less effective against the coronavirus variant first found in South Africa, a lab study has suggested.
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The percentage of protective antibodies that neutralised the variant, called B.1.35, was 12.4 times lower for Moderna's Covid-19 shot than against the original coronavirus, and 10.3 times lower for Pfizer's, the study authors said.
This was a bigger drop than in previous lab studies testing the vaccines against manufactured forms of the variant, they said. For this study, the researchers used real forms of the variant taken from people who had caught the virus.
B.1.351 was first detected in South Africa in October 2020. It has since spread to at least 42 countries. Data suggests it is the dominant variant in South Africa.
The researchers found that the antibody activity from both vaccines was "essentially unchanged" against the variant first found in the UK, B.1.1.7.
The scientists, from Columbia University, also tested lab-made viruses that had certain mutations. They said that one specific mutation, E484K, appeared to be a "major contributor" to the B.1.351 variant's ability to evade the antibody response. E484K is not usually present in B.1.1.7, the variant first found in the UK.
The study has been accepted by science journal Nature but not yet published.
Taking samples from the real world
In the experiment, scientists took 10 blood samples from people who had received two doses of Pfizer's vaccine, 28 days after their second dose, and 12 samples from those who had received two doses of Moderna's vaccine, 43 days after their second dose. They then compared how well antibodies in the blood samples "neutralised" the original coronavirus, compared to real-life B.1.1.7 and B.1.351 coronavirus variants.
The sample size was small, and the antibody response is just one aspect of the immune response, so it remains unclear how well the vaccines work against the variant first found in South Africa in real-life.
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Pfizer has conducted petri-dish tests before that showed a less potent antibody response against a lab-made coronavirus variant that mimicked the variant first found in South Africa. It was not the exact B.1.351 variant.
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Moderna ran similar tests, and said that its vaccine held up well against the mutations found in B.1.1.7, the variant first found in the UK, but less well against the mutations found in B.1.351, the variant first identified in South Africa. Again, it used lab-made variants.
Both companies said in January they were developing booster shots specifically to tackle the B.1.351 variant.
Neither of the vaccines has been properly tested against the variant first found in South Africa in the real-world.
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In Israel, Pfizer's vaccine has been shown to be highly effective against the B.1.1.7 variant, first found in the UK. About 80% of Israelis with Covid-19 are infected with B.1.1.7.
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The Covid-19 vaccine from Johnson & Johnson was less effective in the clinical trials that took place in South Africa.
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4 years 3 months ago
ANC top 6 to give Zuma more space.
We can only hope this means a bigger cell ?
Talk is that Jooste should get to Germany to avoid SA jail.
We can only hope this means a bigger cell ?
Talk is that Jooste should get to Germany to avoid SA jail.
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4 years 2 months ago
On this day last year, COVID-19 was declared a pandemic by the head of the World Health Organization
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4 years 2 months ago
Load shedding back for a couple of days 😎
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4 years 2 months agoMac wrote: On this day last year, COVID-19 was declared a pandemic by the head of the World Health Organization
Yeah. The fokkers Who declared the Swine Flu outbreak a pandemic in 2009.
As a result of the speedily processed vaccines and the side effects, with the pandemic fizzling out, many countries had to destroy their stockpiles of the vaccines.
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