The Vaal Classic track, Thursday 22 April

so RAMSY runs 4th - now the jock used the crop yet 2 runs back the stipes advised that the crop would not be used as the horse does not respond to it - So which is it and how does the punter know if the crop will be allowed or not?

How has a journeyman jockey like WARREN KENNEDY improved so drastically as a jockey.

Is it just a case that the current crop of jockeys on the highveld are just poor?

There was a time when it was still important for the Clerk of Scales to keep the public informed, more or less a time when we have 100's of posts here on ABC and not the 12 we see today y... but those times you had to make all your card changes way in advance before the meeting starts so that the public are informed, and not like

Race 3: Greens @ 12:48 and 18 minutes before the race the public gets informed of Gavin Lerena not riding GREENS, and Marco taking the ride. Now no disrespect to Marco but his stats suggests he is not as good as Gavin, Furthermore then to just rub it into the public's faces the favorite GREENS runs absolutely nowhere and not even trying, sure under instructions perhaps and the stable mate Anne Boleyn wins like a champ. ... how to get the public to wonder

Race 4: Glowtoria another favorite jockey change informed at 12:48 as well runs unplaced
Race 6: Atomic Blonde change of jock to Kennedy only advised at 12:29, will probably make him the winner now

Race 7: Paton's Tears arguably the BB on the card today the jockey change only declared at 13:32


Now we may sit and wonder why a few years ago by now we had 1000's of posts on ABC, or we may wonder why the public does not trust RSA Racing anymore, or we may wonder why the money is moving to sports betting, regardless you can clearly see how the turning the public into an ATM for the powers that be is not going to be sustainable in the long run...

if you do want to help the sport of Horse Racing in South Africa the solution would not be to "sponsor" all the trainers and jockey's , the solution would not be to buy al lot of the race horses to "save the sport... I could not think that 1 entity controlling everything could lead to a fair environment to all ..

I could think that upping the stakes would mean trainers are racing for stakes and not for betting
I could think that a bookmaker sponsoring the trainers, sponsoring the jockeys, buying the horses and then that same bookmaker having lots of horses in the same race could have an influence on the result
I could think that knowing what every punter in South Africa chooses as his best on each race would have quite an effect on the info being used to benefit in the result
I could think that being able to manipulate MR's could have a negative effect on the performance of a racehorse,
I could think that a trainer should never let a horse's performance go backwards since any good trainer of any athlete should not be paid for his athlete becoming worse and worse.. surely a trainer should be rewarded for improving his athlete , not for the ability to hide performance

and then they wonder why the numbers are decreasing daily ...

Sammy Silver wrote: How has a journeyman jockey like WARREN KENNEDY improved so drastically as a jockey.

Is it just a case that the current crop of jockeys on the highveld are just poor?

He is reading this track like he work rides it daily - I do think the current crop are poor - If they are drawn wide you really have to hope and pray - Not sure if they think they are riding Flaming Rock with the ground they try to make up...

R7 Anyone give INVISIBLE an e/way shout in this race.... Lyle rides... 14/1 greeeeat price.

mr hawaii wrote:

Sammy Silver wrote: How has a journeyman jockey like WARREN KENNEDY improved so drastically as a jockey.

Is it just a case that the current crop of jockeys on the highveld are just poor?

He is reading this track like he work rides it daily - I do think the current crop are poor - If they are drawn wide you really have to hope and pray - Not sure if they think they are riding Flaming Rock with the ground they try to make up...

That is if you are of the opinion that everyone is still trying and it is all "Fair Play"... the data I am seeing does not suggest that unfortunately

ElvisisKing wrote: R7 Anyone give INVISIBLE an e/way shout in this race.... Lyle rides... 14/1 greeeeat price.

I fancy this as a place bet! Has been disappointing but may bounce back today.

What is wrong with the TARRY yard this season.

They have no champions in the stable and are not consistent.

You cannot back them with confidence!!!

Loopy Logic wrote: There was a time when it was still important for the Clerk of Scales to keep the public informed, more or less a time when we have 100's of posts here on ABC and not the 12 we see today y... but those times you had to make all your card changes way in advance before the meeting starts so that the public are informed, and not like

Race 3: Greens @ 12:48 and 18 minutes before the race the public gets informed of Gavin Lerena not riding GREENS, and Marco taking the ride. Now no disrespect to Marco but his stats suggests he is not as good as Gavin, Furthermore then to just rub it into the public's faces the favorite GREENS runs absolutely nowhere and not even trying, sure under instructions perhaps and the stable mate Anne Boleyn wins like a champ. ... how to get the public to wonder

Race 4: Glowtoria another favorite jockey change informed at 12:48 as well runs unplaced
Race 6: Atomic Blonde change of jock to Kennedy only advised at 12:29, will probably make him the winner now

Race 7: Paton's Tears arguably the BB on the card today the jockey change only declared at 13:32


Now we may sit and wonder why a few years ago by now we had 1000's of posts on ABC, or we may wonder why the public does not trust RSA Racing anymore, or we may wonder why the money is moving to sports betting, regardless you can clearly see how the turning the public into an ATM for the powers that be is not going to be sustainable in the long run...

if you do want to help the sport of Horse Racing in South Africa the solution would not be to "sponsor" all the trainers and jockey's , the solution would not be to buy al lot of the race horses to "save the sport... I could not think that 1 entity controlling everything could lead to a fair environment to all ..

I could think that upping the stakes would mean trainers are racing for stakes and not for betting
I could think that a bookmaker sponsoring the trainers, sponsoring the jockeys, buying the horses and then that same bookmaker having lots of horses in the same race could have an influence on the result
I could think that knowing what every punter in South Africa chooses as his best on each race would have quite an effect on the info being used to benefit in the result
I could think that being able to manipulate MR's could have a negative effect on the performance of a racehorse,
I could think that a trainer should never let a horse's performance go backwards since any good trainer of any athlete should not be paid for his athlete becoming worse and worse.. surely a trainer should be rewarded for improving his athlete , not for the ability to hide performance

and then they wonder why the numbers are decreasing daily ...

Howzit Loopy - guess that program is still being refined

Seriously though, I think some of your points make a lot of sense - of course we need stakes to go up - but unfortunately stakes are dependent on pools - and pools are not increasing for various reasons - yes and among them are that the betting public is disillusioned because some for the reasons you mention.

However I can't agree on the replacement jocks being a big issue; Lerena rode in the first and obviously then decided (for whatever reason) that he is not fit to continue riding - so replacement riders had to be sourced - and Lucky Houdalakis was probably not on course yet as Paton's Tears in the 7th was his first (and only) runner - hence the late announcement of the replacement jock

And imo Greens should never have been favorite as she is patently better over 1000 than 1200 - so I don't think the replacement of the jock had much to do with her running unplaced

I do in the main agree that we need better communication from the 'powers that be' - as per Mr H's query about the whip.

I think the Jonker stable may have found a magic ingredient - maybe they can patent it :huh:

Still refining yes, but doing quite alright

Race 1 : Top rated trying Times won, Castle Corner was 3rd rated 9in 2nd) and Ocean's Pride was 4th rated in 3rd with Passing shot 5th rated in 4th

race 2: Lagertha, Jam Fancy and Hear the Trumpet was 2nd, 4th and 5th rated

Race 3: Point taken on GREENS better over 1000 and 100% degree BUT looking at the BAT (Best average Merit Rating Adjusted Lengths behind combined with Adjusted Time) figures over 42 days/84 days/168days and 280 days the 1200 form between Anne Boleyn and GREENS are pretty much identical and they where 1st and 3rd rated with Kayla's Champ 2nd rated

Race 4: Lucy in the Sky was top rated and won

Race 6 : Atomic Blonde and Funky Music was rated 1st and 2nd with Rodger the Dodger rated 4th

Race 7: Paton's Tears was the BB rated 1st and Virginia was rated 2nd with Ululate rated 4th

Race 8: Oyster King was rated 1st with Evening Rise rated 3rd

You may say that we are always fine tuning since we have AI (Artificial Intelligence) and ML (Machine Learning) active that refreshes the ratings every week to get closer to the truth so it is VERY easy to spot the croocked results purely since even though we could never get to 100% the calculation weightings are affecting each horses to the exact same degree... so you could easily have a benchmark...

but that's not the point ... the point is that I hate to see the absolutely croocked state of RSA Horse Racing and not providing the info to the public most definitely has a very detrimental effect on the longevity of the product, especially when the stable mate then goes on and wins.. that can not be good for racing in the long run , no matter how many times you thank the Lord and no matter how many times you claim you are helping the Racing Industry by "sponsoring" the trainers/jockeys and owning all the horses.... for the good of the game this is NO GOOD for the game... I know where we where with RSA Racing and I see where we are today... and previously we did not have the means to track data , BIG DATA, sectional timing, etc .. but now you can spot the rat from a mile away seeing the results materialise

YES, stakes are dependant on pools to some effect, but then pools are dependant on HONESTY, TRANSPARENCY, ZERO FRAUD, ZERO CORRUPTION, ZERO manipulation, you cannot try and control the industry and think that people would believe that everything is fair and just seeing the blatant lies, corruption, bribery...

so if you really take a very deep look into yourself you should realize that the only way forward is To NOT control the industry by 1 entity and that 1 entity should be the catalyst in upping the stakes so that (1) we can see fairer results which would lead to (2) way bigger pools and (3) way bigger profits for those entities trying to control the works.. and (4) trainers running for stakes and not for survival

LEAGUE OF HER OWN.......... obviously fancied a bit on the TOTE 27.70 A win.

HOLLYWOOD HAD HER........... bottom of the boards 100 / 1 :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

unreal.