Elevated TCO2 Levels --- Discussion.

DEFINITIONS Bicarbonate ion –
Bicarbonate ion (HCO3-) is a normal constituent of the blood.
Bicarbonate is naturally produced by the reaction of carbon dioxide (CO2) with water (H2O) to produce carbonic acid (H2CO3), which dissociates to a bicarbonate ion and a proton (H+).
Acid/base metabolism in the body is regulated by this chemical equation: CO2 + H2O ↔ H2CO3 ↔  H+ + HCO3- TCO2 –

The total concentration of all forms of carbon dioxide (Total Carbon Dioxide) in the sample including bicarbonate and carbonate as well as dissolved CO2.
The TCO2 of the plasma or serum is used for regulatory purposes.
The dissolved carbon dioxide is only a small fraction (about 3%) of the total carbon dioxide.
Total CO2 analyzer – A TCO2 analyzer adds acid to the plasma or serum sample thereby converting all the carbonate, bicarbonate and carbonic acid to water and CO2.
The concentration of CO2 is measured represents the total concentration of available CO2 in the sample or TCO2.

Measurement Uncertainty (MU) –
The measurement uncertainty is a value (with units of concentration) that is determined experimentally and characterizes the variability of the analytical process. The measurement uncertainty is used to eliminate all reasonable variability originating from the measurement process.
The measurement uncertainty is a property of the method and is therefore unique to each laboratory unless measures have been taken to standardize methods between laboratories. 

I apologise if this may be a silly question, but does this cause any ill-effects or affect the well being of the horse that is receiving the treatment...

there were over 42 horses tested cape 24th april - zero over the threshold....and about 48 at turffontein 27th april ... again no positives... so it seems that being over the threshold is very uncommon - so i would say these tests show an abnormality that unless can be proved different should result in the scratching of over-threshold horses

mr hawaii wrote:

there were over 42 horses tested cape 24th april - zero over the threshold....and about 48 at turffontein 27th april ... again no positives... so it seems that being over the threshold is very uncommon - so i would say these tests show an abnormality that unless can be proved different should result in the scratching of over-threshold horses

Thanks MrH, Should it be considered an enhancement though? (I think this is more what I would like to know, I should have been more specific.)

Pirhobeta wrote:

mr hawaii wrote:

there were over 42 horses tested cape 24th april - zero over the threshold....and about 48 at turffontein 27th april ... again no positives... so it seems that being over the threshold is very uncommon - so i would say these tests show an abnormality that unless can be proved different should result in the scratching of over-threshold horses

Thanks MrH, Should it be considered an enhancement though? (I think this is more what I would like to know, I should have been more specific.)

To try and explain my questioning...we don't regard shoeing of horses as a performance enhancement
does Bicarb affect the horses health negatively...should all horses be fed the same feed to "level" the playing fields?
Apologies, I'm struggling to put my questions into words

Pirhobeta wrote:

Pirhobeta wrote:

mr hawaii wrote:

there were over 42 horses tested cape 24th april - zero over the threshold....and about 48 at turffontein 27th april ... again no positives... so it seems that being over the threshold is very uncommon - so i would say these tests show an abnormality that unless can be proved different should result in the scratching of over-threshold horses

Thanks MrH, Should it be considered an enhancement though? (I think this is more what I would like to know, I should have been more specific.)

To try and explain my questioning...we don't regard shoeing of horses as a performance enhancement
does Bicarb affect the horses health negatively...should all horses be fed the same feed to "level" the playing fields?
Apologies, I'm struggling to put my questions into words

P.S. None of this rambling is levelled at MrH or anybody else, I'm just trying to keep the thread coherent (at least to my way of thinking )

Pirhobeta wrote:

mr hawaii wrote:

there were over 42 horses tested cape 24th april - zero over the threshold....and about 48 at turffontein 27th april ... again no positives... so it seems that being over the threshold is very uncommon - so i would say these tests show an abnormality that unless can be proved different should result in the scratching of over-threshold horses

Thanks MrH, Should it be considered an enhancement though? (I think this is more what I would like to know, I should have been more specific.)

im no chemist but it seems it helps with acid build up in the muscles - thats what ive been told
 

Pirhobeta wrote:

Pirhobeta wrote:

mr hawaii wrote:

there were over 42 horses tested cape 24th april - zero over the threshold....and about 48 at turffontein 27th april ... again no positives... so it seems that being over the threshold is very uncommon - so i would say these tests show an abnormality that unless can be proved different should result in the scratching of over-threshold horses

Thanks MrH, Should it be considered an enhancement though? (I think this is more what I would like to know, I should have been more specific.)

To try and explain my questioning...we don't regard shoeing of horses as a performance enhancement
does Bicarb affect the horses health negatively...should all horses be fed the same feed to "level" the playing fields?
Apologies, I'm struggling to put my questions into words

I feel your pain .... 

There is no such thing as a stupid question!

However don't rule out the possibility that a stupid person is voicing it!




 

.....I could write a book on this subject.....as once an aspiring chemical boff but also started out as a lab rat and did 3 years tinkering vvith (my doubleU faulty) test tubes prepping samples for electronic testing back in the early 80's.....then it vvas as problematic as it is still today as these machines still give a plethora of errors and the average lab rat is still not the brightest bulbs around.....if one is chemically inclined there are better paying jobs for the better ualified ex rats.....the technical back up and people in this industry leave a lot better off not said .....said it more than once here that okes that are trying to still milkshake must be stupid if they think they can beat the machines.....so I doubt that this is the case.....CO2 levels vvill alvvays increase vvith fitter and hyper type horses and the international thresh hold may not mirror similar to testing conditions found here.....FFS this all very nevv to us and may need fine tuning....so lets not think that the okes are feeding bicarb or any other fizzy sh!t to get an edge 

.....to add to this I see that Johnny Peter has said in SP that the machine was chucked out in some places and I can believe it to be factual.....I knovv vvho supplier is locally..... and actually did a consultancy stint vvith them before Covid....they are clueless vvhen it comes to technical support and doubt if they and the NHRA knovv VVTF they are doing.....

Did mrs Rupert and Kevin organise a protest when their horse was scratched?

Did Mr Puller when it happened to him in KZN?

No... I'm happy to see that testing is fair and being carried out and catching out practises everywhere

What I want to know what is the actual practise and what benefit does it have?

Perhaps then these trainers are NOT milk shaking? Perhaps there is another explanation? What I do know is that the insinuation with the Peter family never happens when these things happen to others.