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2 months 1 week ago #760875 by Bob Brogan
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2 months 1 week ago #760891 by Mac
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It’s only a guideline.


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2 months 1 week ago #760900 by Bob Brogan
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No it WILL apply!

Wonder if the Jocks will swithc back to the firmer whips again?

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2 months 6 days ago #761152 by Bob Brogan
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What’s the point if it’s only a bag o sand fine


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2 months 6 days ago #761157 by ElvisisKing
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what will happen if the Jock DOES count the number of STRIKES ( 12) & he's 50 m from home - NOW STOPS STRIKING the horse, ( ALL 12 are used up ) so as NOT to get a fine......and he gets beat by a whisker...

will he be fined for NOT trying every inch of the way ? :oops: :oops:

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2 months 6 days ago #761160 by manwatweet
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Did anyone consult with the horse to find out what is the fair / magic amount of strikes?
Will we see a happier horse being struck 13 times compared to16 times?
I know out of past experience in school that 2 shots is better than 6................

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2 months 6 days ago #761163 by PeeKay
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Bernard going to be in the poor house very soon. Hope the more offenses you get....the bigger the fine becomes
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2 months 5 days ago #761199 by Garrick
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Another attempt to take racing into the 21st century in RSA is being greeted with predictable resistance from the usual dinosaurs.

For the record the UK changed to 7 strikes a couple of years ago. After a similar hue and cry riders appear to have adjusted well to the new rules. South Africa, as usual, requires more lenient rules so gets nearly double the 'allowance'.

Instead of 'experts' lecturing us on how horses need 'guidance' and 'persuasion' why not rather ask a rider like Piere Strydom how he has managed to win as many races as he has by striking horses as many times in a month as other jockeys do in a week on the same number of mounts.

I am completely over seeing horses with no chance of winning or placing being 'guided' in the latter phases of a race. I am almost tempted to walk down to the 400m mark to check that the sign reads '400' and not 'Start Whipping From This Point'.

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2 months 5 days ago #761202 by gg
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manwatweet wrote: Did anyone consult with the horse to find out what is the fair / magic amount of strikes?
Will we see a happier horse being struck 13 times compared to16 times?
I know out of past experience in school that 2 shots is better than 6................



I wonder if anybody ever consulted these unfortunate 3 ???

""Aintree and the British Horseracing Authority will review the deaths of three horses during the three-day Grand National meeting.

Up for Review suffered a fatal injury in the National on Saturday after it was brought down at the first fence.""

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2 months 5 days ago - 2 months 5 days ago #761210 by Muhtiman
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......that thought of not smacking or counting smacks goes completely out of the mind when the adrenalin kicks in....did you see Frankie Dettori yesterday on Lah Ti Dar.....used up his seven before he was headed.....had he then put the stick away.....the punters would have been stuck away.....:huh:

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2 months 5 days ago #761216 by elmer
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Lots of comments but have of you every felt or had a smack with the crop being used
by the jockeys in South Africa
Believe me I have tried it out on my bare leg and hardly felt a thing
One only feels it if hit by the edge and not the flat

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2 months 5 days ago #761227 by Muhtiman
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elmer wrote: Lots of comments but have of you every felt or had a smack with the crop being used
by the jockeys in South Africa
Believe me I have tried it out on my bare leg and hardly felt a thing
One only feels it if hit by the edge and not the flat


....these new crops are gentle....but as Bob poses limiting the amount of smacks is going to encourage some riders to go back to the real sharp thin sticks that really do hurt.....and yes it is not how you strike a horse but where.....saw that Peruvian cowboy chopping a mount in the gut....some others flaying away and smacking challenging mounts in the face....we should be more concerned how it is wielded and not as yet be discouraging its use totally.....certain horses need a reminder others not.....if jocks have not worked it out yet they should start paying the NHRA kitty to contribute to travel more often to the bush and try see that geriatric horses are not thrashed there either.....:S

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2 months 5 days ago #761229 by Craig Eudey
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Muhtiman, I am 99.9% sure that those old sticks are illegal and stipes check them when the jocks go out or in the parade ring if they worried it is the wrong type.

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2 months 5 days ago #761233 by Muhtiman
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.....good to know.... but as Elma says....one can also use the thin edge of the pro cush and have a similar effect.....:whistle:

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2 months 5 days ago #761259 by Craig Eudey
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Stuart was talking of a new cylindrical pad if I heard right. Will find out am.

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2 months 1 day ago #761577 by Karma
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if the rules apply, Khumalo has a ticket coming his way for his ride on Perfect Tigress... Counted about 14 strikes.... Lets see..

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2 months 13 hours ago #761612 by Karma
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cant seem to download stipes report for some reason. Anychance you could paste for the second race yesterday bob? Thanks man

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2 months 4 hours ago #761672 by Bob Brogan
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Suspensions considered over fines
PUBLISHED: MAY 22, 2019

Hyde said: “We are still in the initial stages of our rule but in other jurisdictions there are harsher penalties and the way…

Suspensions – as opposed to fines – for exceeding the 12-strike whip limit could be on the way but it looks as if thoughts of including the use of the whip in the backhand positon in the 12 permitted will be dropped.

When the whip rule was introduced on May 10 the initial stipes reports stated that “The general use of the crop will be monitored until 31 May. Until this time the limit of 12 crop strikes will apply.”


Senior racing control executive Arnold Hyde explained yesterday: “The monitoring of crop use really pertains to the use of the crop in the backhand position with the hands on the reins, and to see if the 12 strikes should include the backhand but it looks as if the backhand is not being abused at all. It’s possibly a bit early to say this but at the moment 12 strikes is where we want to be bearing in mind that we only introduced a number on May 10.”

So far fines have usually been the order of the day, even for repeat offenders (Serino Moodley last week was a notable exception), but more suspensions are on the horizon. Hyde said: “We are still in the initial stages of our rule but in other jurisdictions there are harsher penalties and the way the world of racing is going we definitely have to consider that angle.”

In France, for instance, jockeys are limited to five strikes as they are in Germany where the five includes slaps down the shoulder. German jockeys also face a mandatory 14-day suspension, even for the first offence, and the loss of their share of the stakes. Sliding scale suspensions apply to jockeys in France who use the whip more than ten times – 11 days for 11 strokes, 12 days for 12 strokes etc.

In Australia the rules have recently been changed to allow objections to be made against a jockey who exceeds the limit, and that could also come here.

Hyde said: “There is a view that if a jockey contravenes the rule he is gaining an advantage over the rest who are keeping within the rule, so we would have to look very seriously at this. There needs to be a level playing field for all and, if someone breaking the rules gains an advantage, there should be a penalty that is appropriate.”

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