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2 weeks 5 days ago #762216 by Sylvester
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2 weeks 5 days ago #762221 by Bob Brogan
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So who does check if the proper carded equipment is being used?

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2 weeks 4 days ago #762229 by the hawk
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As far as I am aware tongue-ties on the race course are fitted and/or checked by the NHA vet. The article concerning the NSPCA seems to refer to a rural race meeting - not quite sure therefore why their complaint would be with the NHA? Guess we need more facts??

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2 weeks 4 days ago #762230 by MissT
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And so it rears its ugly head again!!!. The horse comes first say everyone!!!!! Yeah right. Bush racing administered by whoever whenever should be canned end of story. And this report claims the owner and trainer involved. Shame on them. They should be named. It's no different to administering banned substances. Name them and ban them period.

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2 weeks 4 days ago #762249 by Over the Air
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Glad to see that at least one member puts the welfare of the horse first. With all the bluster and the name calling whenever I have a go at Kimberley, its all about the abuse of horses for me. I dont care who you are, what you religion, race or creed ( and heritage for some who like diverting attention ), if you use horses for your own means and to their detriment, you do not belong in racing.

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2 weeks 4 days ago #762250 by Over the Air
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I must say that if the NHRA have ensured the second career forms are correctly filled, then you can not blame them for what happens afterwards. My question is how do horses that are still registered as in training land up in bush racing? I think the answer is the NHRA are not doing what they should be.

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2 weeks 4 days ago #762265 by Frodo
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Over the Air wrote: Glad to see that at least one member puts the welfare of the horse first. With all the bluster and the name calling whenever I have a go at Kimberley, its all about the abuse of horses for me. I dont care who you are, what you religion, race or creed ( and heritage for some who like diverting attention ), if you use horses for your own means and to their detriment, you do not belong in racing.

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I am always hesitant to get involved in a discussion where ALL the facts are not known, but surely (to quote) ''if you use horses for your own means and to their detriment, you do no belong in racing' - would mean that none of us 'belong' in racing ?

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2 weeks 4 days ago #762284 by louisg
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Again, this blind hatred of NHA rears its ugly head.
Here are some simple FACTS -
1)NHA have NOTHING to do with informal or bush Racing.
2)NHA do not have ANY say on informal/bush Racing. This means that they are NOT ALLOWED to get involved at all.
3)When NHA do attend these meetings, it is for the sole purpose of trying to follow up on any ex racehorses or to check if any horses are participating there, whilst still racing or being registered for racing. In so doing, they are protecting the interests of all in racing.
4)In the case of any cruelty to horses at these meetings which are observed by NHA , they can only report to SPCA.
5)NHA do not attend all of these meetings.
6)As for participation in these meetings by Racing people, it is prohibited. Please read rule 72.1.24

Whatever charges SPCA are alluding to, it would be good if they got on with it, with facts.

Finally, the main problem appears to lie in the 5th or 6th home that the ex racehorse has, after being properly retired to a good home. How do u police that ?
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2 weeks 4 days ago #762286 by Over the Air
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Hi Louis

I am all for getting facts straight. Your points 1 and 2 seem to contradict your point 3. Its a bit like being pregnant, you are or you aren't no ifs and maybes. Taken from the SP relating to Bush racing recently:

The National Horseracing Authority confirms that its Officials attended an unauthorised “informal bush race meeting” near Lephalale on Saturday 27 April 2019.

It was established after serious confrontation, that several of the horses that participated were horses currently registered under the Rules of the National Horseracing Authority and that their participation was in contravention of Rule 93.2.1.

The serious confrontation may be a pointer?

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2 weeks 4 days ago #762293 by MissT
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Seriously while I respect others point of view I am shocked at what's being posted here. Animals being abused and everyone finding a reason to defend certain parties. Shame on you . Animal cruelty is against the law period. These meetings need to be stopped end of story and people named shamed and charged. You can paint it any way you want its WRONG. Just my opinion of course.

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2 weeks 4 days ago #762314 by the hawk
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Miss T I agree with you that animal cruelty is reprehensible, irrespective of which animal we are talking about. But, lets get real, the SA Horseracing Industry, together with the NHA, are ONLY responsible for the PROFESSIONAL horse racing industry - no more no less - we, including the Operators, cannot be held accountable for what happens beyond the professional horse racing's borders! If there are indeed NHA licensed owners, trainers or jockeys found guilty of transgressing the rules in regard to "amateur/bush" racing they must be harshly dealt with. But we cannot be viewed as the moral conscience of all Equine activities.
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2 weeks 3 days ago #762328 by louisg
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Miss T, you obviously have no idea about how I treat my horses and my stance with regard to any form of cruelty to horses and any other animals. Pity. It's also a pity that you misunderstood the facts of my post, which addressed the title of the thread, which blames NHA again. By stating those facts, I in no way endorse Bush Racing.

Steve, you contradict yourself, actually. The very confrontation to which you refer is proof in itself that NHA are not welcome at these meetings nor have any say in them.

Why dont we wait for the whole investigation of NHA to be completed and then see who, if anyone, was involved in that Bush meeting ?

In the meantime, maybe the two of you can get hold of SAP and Govt to protest against Bush Racing and get this cruelty stopped. Many of us will support you fully. You are pointing fingers at NHA, from your keyboards. Maybe you can help or guide us with some action ? Maybe find out where the next Bush meeting will be held ?

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2 weeks 3 days ago #762331 by Over the Air
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Over the Air wrote: I must say that if the NHRA have ensured the second career forms are correctly filled, then you can not blame them for what happens afterwards. My question is how do horses that are still registered as in training land up in bush racing? I think the answer is the NHRA are not doing what they should be.


It becomes very tiresome when people do not read the message, however jump onto portions that they feel need defending. Louis we obviously are at cross purposes here. My question, once again, is HOW did the NHRA become involved in this Bush racing confrontation seeing that your post says that they are NOT ALLOWED to get involved at all.
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2 weeks 3 days ago #762333 by Craig Pienaar
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Think it's called selective participation , the old adage do as I say not as I do.
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2 weeks 3 days ago #762335 by MissT
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Louis let me start by saying I have the utmost respect for you and your ability as a trainer and have never ever said anything about you mistreating horses. So let's get that straight for starters. You and Craig set an example and also have the balls to come on here and post for which most of us are grateful. So I'm not sure why you feel the need to have a dig. I too have been involved in this industry on the side of the NHA or the then jockey club. I happen to think that it's you who misunderstand my very simple comments that this should be stopped and banned. If some officials or SPCA people are there then call the relevant authorities and have it stopped. Is it possible I dont know ,but the fact that the officials are there and are seeing cruelty says enough. I get that it's not always easy to look after a horse once its career is over but each person who takes that horse becomes responsible . Nobody says the first owner is responsible but maybe that's who should be responsible..I dont know or maybe having them put down is the way to go. I have no fight with you at all only the fact that this blatant abuse of the animals is happening. I hope that clears up your misunderstanding.

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2 weeks 3 days ago #762379 by Muhtiman
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....the problem I see is that there is seems to be a lot of padding around the matter of why the NHRA are sometimes present at these bush meetings..... and all part and parcel of how some are still trying to glam up these events ......and then we are duped into believing what some posters have claimed here ....like they use the NHRA officials often present to identify with their chip readers the horses that are participating ..:blush: .. the event takes place next door to the SPCA so it must be kosher..:huh: ...also heard of a brothel next door to the police station and nothing was done about it either....:lol:... and then there are members under NHRA like a few licensed trainers and colour holders also being present at these meetings..:unsure: ..wonder if there will ever be a full investigation and subsequent actions to at least clarify the NHRA stance and remedy to prevent unsanctioned or illegal race meetings.....:huh:

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2 weeks 3 days ago #762406 by louisg
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Miss T, Muhti , I am just saying that it is wrong,imho, to blame or apportion blame to NHA. We all agree on the cruelty thing, so do NHA. But, what can they actually do ? Under which law of our Country are these meetings illegal ?
Also, unlike proper Racing, there is no programme printed or advertised. How do we all find out where these meetings are being held ? If anyone can, let's report here.

Whenever possible people like Craig and myself will then go there and check, take photos, report etc. (We would simply inform NHA, beforehand, as we are not participants)....

The problem appears to be that there is a huge difference between the annual Bray Derby and the Rural meetings. And then there are those rubbish people who race stolen horses down gravel roads on weekends....as shown on Carte Blanche. Not all are the same, in terms of potential cruelty.

Again, I have never attended, so go on hearsay, just as the rest of you.

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2 weeks 3 days ago #762419 by Muhtiman
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.....so what was the point of the NHA going there checking and naming the horses and suspending them....dont think the horses were there totally un attended and had to be in the care of some "racing people"....they are after all still being trained/conditioned and fed.... then why have these people not been charged or even named....seems like a mere warning and a tap on the hand....or was it simply to be published in the NHRA supplements as a publicity stunt and left up to avid horse enthusiasts to get to hear or read that it is a fun pastime to have older horses still running for some else's entertainment...:huh:.....it no use trying to shame these people through indirect association by these actions.....they have been doing it for years and therefore they have no shame....:(

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2 weeks 3 days ago #762450 by louisg
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Muhti
We agree in principle. But let's wait for NHA to complete their investigations ...

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2 weeks 3 days ago #762455 by Sylvester
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when i posted this at no stage did i think that or read into that the article was refering to Bush racing.
The article even had a photo of one of the CAPE Track not a bush .
before i posted the article i check the 6 Stipes reports to see if any horses were put down in January 2019.
i see there is a link to a bush racing article on the website link i shared. i did not think the two issues were related.
it makes no sense to charge the NHRA if the race meeting was not held under their auspices.
guess we will wait for the case to come to court to get names and places.

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