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The Turf Guide, Saturday 24th February 1973
Editor: Charles Faull
THE WRONG ATTITUDE
Have you ever listened to punters discussing the race-card before a meeting? What are the questions usually asked?
“What have you heard? … What’s good for today? … Do you know if they are having a go with this or that horse? … Do you think jockey X will try against his own stable on horse Y? … Do you think jockey so and so will ride better today than last week? … “
And the answers! “I got this as a good good thing from jockey Smith or trainer Jones … Don’t touch that horse it’s not on the job … They gave me this as the business … The stable are not having a go with horse Z because the owner is away …”
And the post-mortems after the race! “Horse A should never have got beat. The jockey was no good … Did you see jockey Smith get boxed in deliberately? … Horse B was no good for horse C … Horse D was pulled up because they stole their market and the price was’nt right …”
Now, if you were a stranger to racing and you heard this sort of talk, what would you think? Certainly not that racing was straight. I doubt whether you would ever consider making racing your favourite pastime.
The sad part of the whole story is that anyone who makes a careful study of the form of horses racing in South Africa, and knows what effect weight carried by a horse has on it’s performance over various distances, will realize that racing under the strict control of the Jockey Club is ninety-nine percent clean.
What causes this harmful “wrong attitude” of so many race-goers? An obvious cause is complete ignorance of handicapping and the effect weight has on a horse’s performance. How many races-goers realized that In Full Flight was giving eight lengths in weight to a horse of the calibre of Gold Flame in the Metropolitan Handicap, or that Mazarin was conceding seven lengths in weight to In Full Flight in the Durban July?
Just as much as ignorance is a cause of this “wrong attitude”, so is human weakness. If I back a winner, it is I who have shown good judgement. If I back a loser, it is someone else’s fault – someone like the jockey or the trainer. Have you ever heard a punter who backed an eight-to-one winner accuse the rider of the beaten favourite of dishonesty?
Racing has been cleaned up over the past twenty years, but unfortunately it’s pas remains “dirty”. The only way to clear the name of the game is to put punters in a position where they can blame only themselves when they back a loser.
To do this you have to teach them everything about the technical side of the sport and then feed them with all the other information needed in assessing the chances of horses engaged to race; information regarding a horse’s fitness when he has been off the course for some time; information regarding a horse’s ability when he appears on the scene for the first time, or after a long lay-off,
This information has to come from the owners and trainers who must now begin to realize that stakes can only increase if betting increases. Because you own or train a horse, it does not mean that you are entitled to be in a privileged position in the betting market when this horse is running.
Off-course tote facilities will not attract many new punters into the game. They will only make it easier for existing racing enthusiasts to lay their bets.
It is time for South Africa to follow the example of leading racing countries such as Australia, New Zealand and America, where it is not only the Jockey Club who treats the punter as “king”.
There the trainers feed the public all important information regarding their horses via the press, thereby making the selection of winners purely a matter of studying form.
The Turf Guide – Saturday 10th March 1973
Editor: Charles Faull
QUANTITY FOLLOWS QUALITY
Off-Course Tote
There has been a trend in recent years for the retail trade to decentralise their outlets so as to obtain higher turnovers.
This geographical dynamism has been brought into racing in the form of off-course tote facilities which have similarly resulted in substantial tote turnover increases.
From where do these increases come? Primarily, from existing racing enthusiasts who previously did not pursue their sport to the full due to inertia or geographical disadvantage.
To a lesser degree, it attracts impulse punters from amongst office workers and residents in the neighbourhood of the tote office itself.
Then of course there is the inevitable gambler!
Off-course tote facilities obviously boost tote turn-overs but this QUANTITATIVE BOOST has a finite limit unless accompanied by a QUALITATIVE boost.
This qualitative boost we seek must have two objectives:
(1) Removal of the wrong attitudes of punters on the one hand, and owners and trainers on the other; and
(2) Improvement of the standard of horse being bred and allowed to race in South Africa, as well as the standard of racing.
As pointed out in our article two weeks ago, these wrong attitudes are a function of ignorance, lack of understanding, and human weakness.
Lack of understanding can be removed by publishing technical information generally about horses and racing.
And how do we combat ignorance? We have to give the punter all the information he needs. This brings us to the role of the PRESS and the racing administrations (the Jockey Club and the Turf Clubs) in improving racing.
The Role of the Press
It is not the function of the qualified racing journalist to simply please those in control of racing, or those who own, train or ride horses. It is surely up to him to provide constructive comment on and criticism of jockeyship, the attitudes of owners and trainers, and administration whenever this is necessary. This is certainly a characteristic of racing journalism in Britain, Australia and North America where the editors of newspapers realize the great part played by their racing journalists in increasing newspaper circulations.
Why do the press in South Africa only give coverage on the gallops and the condition of horses engaged in the major races such as the Durban July, Holdiday Inns or Metropolitan? Perhaps the newspaper editors do not permit them sufficient space on other occasions.
In Australia, the leading Daily Newspapers contain as much as four pages of information regarding forthcoming meetings and the horses engaged therein.
There are some owners and trainers in the Cape who are prepared to provide the necessary information required by the public for all races, and thereby further the cause of racing. Those withholding this information can surely never complain when the growth in tote turnovers, and therefore racing stakes, fall below much published expectations.
To conclude, I would like to publish an extract from a letter written by one of the leading racing , correspondents in the U.S.A.: “Regarding your question on “speed tests” – or, as we call them – “workouts”, it is almost universally required in racing states in the United States that these trials be reported and published in our paper …..before a horse may start.
In California, for example, there must be published a horse’s three latest workouts. At most tracks, when a horse comes onto the track for a speed trial, his exercise boy must notify the official clockers and press representatives of the horse’s identity before he works…” – Leon Rasmussen.
Editor: Charles Faull
THE WRONG ATTITUDE
Have you ever listened to punters discussing the race-card before a meeting? What are the questions usually asked?
“What have you heard? … What’s good for today? … Do you know if they are having a go with this or that horse? … Do you think jockey X will try against his own stable on horse Y? … Do you think jockey so and so will ride better today than last week? … “
And the answers! “I got this as a good good thing from jockey Smith or trainer Jones … Don’t touch that horse it’s not on the job … They gave me this as the business … The stable are not having a go with horse Z because the owner is away …”
And the post-mortems after the race! “Horse A should never have got beat. The jockey was no good … Did you see jockey Smith get boxed in deliberately? … Horse B was no good for horse C … Horse D was pulled up because they stole their market and the price was’nt right …”
Now, if you were a stranger to racing and you heard this sort of talk, what would you think? Certainly not that racing was straight. I doubt whether you would ever consider making racing your favourite pastime.
The sad part of the whole story is that anyone who makes a careful study of the form of horses racing in South Africa, and knows what effect weight carried by a horse has on it’s performance over various distances, will realize that racing under the strict control of the Jockey Club is ninety-nine percent clean.
What causes this harmful “wrong attitude” of so many race-goers? An obvious cause is complete ignorance of handicapping and the effect weight has on a horse’s performance. How many races-goers realized that In Full Flight was giving eight lengths in weight to a horse of the calibre of Gold Flame in the Metropolitan Handicap, or that Mazarin was conceding seven lengths in weight to In Full Flight in the Durban July?
Just as much as ignorance is a cause of this “wrong attitude”, so is human weakness. If I back a winner, it is I who have shown good judgement. If I back a loser, it is someone else’s fault – someone like the jockey or the trainer. Have you ever heard a punter who backed an eight-to-one winner accuse the rider of the beaten favourite of dishonesty?
Racing has been cleaned up over the past twenty years, but unfortunately it’s pas remains “dirty”. The only way to clear the name of the game is to put punters in a position where they can blame only themselves when they back a loser.
To do this you have to teach them everything about the technical side of the sport and then feed them with all the other information needed in assessing the chances of horses engaged to race; information regarding a horse’s fitness when he has been off the course for some time; information regarding a horse’s ability when he appears on the scene for the first time, or after a long lay-off,
This information has to come from the owners and trainers who must now begin to realize that stakes can only increase if betting increases. Because you own or train a horse, it does not mean that you are entitled to be in a privileged position in the betting market when this horse is running.
Off-course tote facilities will not attract many new punters into the game. They will only make it easier for existing racing enthusiasts to lay their bets.
It is time for South Africa to follow the example of leading racing countries such as Australia, New Zealand and America, where it is not only the Jockey Club who treats the punter as “king”.
There the trainers feed the public all important information regarding their horses via the press, thereby making the selection of winners purely a matter of studying form.
The Turf Guide – Saturday 10th March 1973
Editor: Charles Faull
QUANTITY FOLLOWS QUALITY
Off-Course Tote
There has been a trend in recent years for the retail trade to decentralise their outlets so as to obtain higher turnovers.
This geographical dynamism has been brought into racing in the form of off-course tote facilities which have similarly resulted in substantial tote turnover increases.
From where do these increases come? Primarily, from existing racing enthusiasts who previously did not pursue their sport to the full due to inertia or geographical disadvantage.
To a lesser degree, it attracts impulse punters from amongst office workers and residents in the neighbourhood of the tote office itself.
Then of course there is the inevitable gambler!
Off-course tote facilities obviously boost tote turn-overs but this QUANTITATIVE BOOST has a finite limit unless accompanied by a QUALITATIVE boost.
This qualitative boost we seek must have two objectives:
(1) Removal of the wrong attitudes of punters on the one hand, and owners and trainers on the other; and
(2) Improvement of the standard of horse being bred and allowed to race in South Africa, as well as the standard of racing.
As pointed out in our article two weeks ago, these wrong attitudes are a function of ignorance, lack of understanding, and human weakness.
Lack of understanding can be removed by publishing technical information generally about horses and racing.
And how do we combat ignorance? We have to give the punter all the information he needs. This brings us to the role of the PRESS and the racing administrations (the Jockey Club and the Turf Clubs) in improving racing.
The Role of the Press
It is not the function of the qualified racing journalist to simply please those in control of racing, or those who own, train or ride horses. It is surely up to him to provide constructive comment on and criticism of jockeyship, the attitudes of owners and trainers, and administration whenever this is necessary. This is certainly a characteristic of racing journalism in Britain, Australia and North America where the editors of newspapers realize the great part played by their racing journalists in increasing newspaper circulations.
Why do the press in South Africa only give coverage on the gallops and the condition of horses engaged in the major races such as the Durban July, Holdiday Inns or Metropolitan? Perhaps the newspaper editors do not permit them sufficient space on other occasions.
In Australia, the leading Daily Newspapers contain as much as four pages of information regarding forthcoming meetings and the horses engaged therein.
There are some owners and trainers in the Cape who are prepared to provide the necessary information required by the public for all races, and thereby further the cause of racing. Those withholding this information can surely never complain when the growth in tote turnovers, and therefore racing stakes, fall below much published expectations.
To conclude, I would like to publish an extract from a letter written by one of the leading racing , correspondents in the U.S.A.: “Regarding your question on “speed tests” – or, as we call them – “workouts”, it is almost universally required in racing states in the United States that these trials be reported and published in our paper …..before a horse may start.
In California, for example, there must be published a horse’s three latest workouts. At most tracks, when a horse comes onto the track for a speed trial, his exercise boy must notify the official clockers and press representatives of the horse’s identity before he works…” – Leon Rasmussen.
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Now this is a posting that I completely agree with.
The less said the better.... it stands to reason for Pete's sake.
The less said the better.... it stands to reason for Pete's sake.
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Nearly 40 years and nothings changed. Yikes.
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absolutely 100% correct..bad punting shouldnt be blamed on everyone but the punter!!
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The punter needs information from behind the scenes... gone on the days we have to suck hind tit cause the stable Mafias and their short men run the scene... people are not that naive.. unless you from Limpopo
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Interesting that those articles are as relevant now as when they were written 40 years ago!
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like Sabre says nothings changed .
You could publish that in the racing express tomorrow all you need to do is substitute hores's names and feature race names and nothings changed except, that , racing has been corprotised !
You could publish that in the racing express tomorrow all you need to do is substitute hores's names and feature race names and nothings changed except, that , racing has been corprotised !
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avanza Wrote:
> The punter needs information from behind the
> scenes... gone on the days we have to suck hind
> tit cause the stable Mafias and their short men
> run the scene... people are not that naive..
> unless you from Limpopo
understanding how it all works is more important than having stable info...everyone with no inside info says if they had info it would be easier and all the insiders run the game and are crooks..and all the people with the inside info dont use it or take it with a pinch of salt cause it really isnt of any value
> The punter needs information from behind the
> scenes... gone on the days we have to suck hind
> tit cause the stable Mafias and their short men
> run the scene... people are not that naive..
> unless you from Limpopo
understanding how it all works is more important than having stable info...everyone with no inside info says if they had info it would be easier and all the insiders run the game and are crooks..and all the people with the inside info dont use it or take it with a pinch of salt cause it really isnt of any value
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JustinV Wrote:
> avanza Wrote:
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> > The punter needs information from behind the
> > scenes... gone on the days we have to suck hind
> > tit cause the stable Mafias and their short men
> > run the scene... people are not that naive..
> > unless you from Limpopo
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> understanding how it all works is more important
> than having stable info...
so true....i often look at the tote patron who grabs a newspaper and walk into a tote with sadness because I'm almost convinced he does not know how it works. and totes are full of such punters everywhere, in fact when you listen to these long term punters on their strategies it becomes obvious they do not understand how it works.
> avanza Wrote:
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> > The punter needs information from behind the
> > scenes... gone on the days we have to suck hind
> > tit cause the stable Mafias and their short men
> > run the scene... people are not that naive..
> > unless you from Limpopo
>
>
> understanding how it all works is more important
> than having stable info...
so true....i often look at the tote patron who grabs a newspaper and walk into a tote with sadness because I'm almost convinced he does not know how it works. and totes are full of such punters everywhere, in fact when you listen to these long term punters on their strategies it becomes obvious they do not understand how it works.
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....having come from a horse racing stable back ground I could' nt agree more.....most these oke/blokes that talk about "graft" or stable info have never smelled horse manure i.e been near a stable or seen horses work.....yet they claim to know everything....basically con artists trying to use others money to take a stab in the guessing game...
got to relay this example from many years ago....While standing in the Owners&Trainers grandstand at Turffontein one Saturday afternoon two racing hang on'ers where telling a "mark" to place a large bet on Duncan Alexander's(then a Jockey)mount. They were overheard saying that they were out with Duncan the previous night at a seedy night club in Hillbrow and he said he could not loose....to which Mrs Sadie Duncan's mother-in-law turned around and challenged them by saying I don't know what you are talking about Duncan was with us at midnight mass and and was up at 5 this morning to ride work....no way he was with you at that dive....these guys then bolted red faced...needless to say the horse that Duncan was on, won.....but the "mark" did not have a cent on it...Best to do the caculations and assumptions on your own....as these so called know-it -alls are taking bigger guesses...with the so called "graft" and still giving the game a bad name....
got to relay this example from many years ago....While standing in the Owners&Trainers grandstand at Turffontein one Saturday afternoon two racing hang on'ers where telling a "mark" to place a large bet on Duncan Alexander's(then a Jockey)mount. They were overheard saying that they were out with Duncan the previous night at a seedy night club in Hillbrow and he said he could not loose....to which Mrs Sadie Duncan's mother-in-law turned around and challenged them by saying I don't know what you are talking about Duncan was with us at midnight mass and and was up at 5 this morning to ride work....no way he was with you at that dive....these guys then bolted red faced...needless to say the horse that Duncan was on, won.....but the "mark" did not have a cent on it...Best to do the caculations and assumptions on your own....as these so called know-it -alls are taking bigger guesses...with the so called "graft" and still giving the game a bad name....
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Muhtiman,I have raced for over 40 years and the characters you describe have lurked on every racecourse and racing establishment forever,but surely you are not suggesting that is the kind of info the articles refer to.
Justin your referal to "understanding how it all works" I presume refers to handicapping,as that is your background,but you know that the rating of a horses is only valuable to the extent that the ability is reproduced,therefore information on the wellbeing and soundness of the horse is an integral support to handicapping.An example is that, in the 4th race today at Cwd, Impartial Justice and Bullring met again and one of them was not the horse that raced on the 9th April.You would need to be clairvoyant to have forecast the turnaround,but would have been purely on the fitness that they were turned out,in each run,after layoffs.
It should not be the decision of stables whether to provide info,it should be a requirement of the regulations, in the form of barrier trials ,public timed workouts etc.It should not be a favour to punters, but a right.............other countries can do it.
In 1973,it wasn't necessary to provide service as racing was the only gamble available.The competition of casinos etc is well documented but absolutely nothing has been done to counter the new competition as racing has not changed that mindset.............and racing is surprised it has regressed!
Justin your referal to "understanding how it all works" I presume refers to handicapping,as that is your background,but you know that the rating of a horses is only valuable to the extent that the ability is reproduced,therefore information on the wellbeing and soundness of the horse is an integral support to handicapping.An example is that, in the 4th race today at Cwd, Impartial Justice and Bullring met again and one of them was not the horse that raced on the 9th April.You would need to be clairvoyant to have forecast the turnaround,but would have been purely on the fitness that they were turned out,in each run,after layoffs.
It should not be the decision of stables whether to provide info,it should be a requirement of the regulations, in the form of barrier trials ,public timed workouts etc.It should not be a favour to punters, but a right.............other countries can do it.
In 1973,it wasn't necessary to provide service as racing was the only gamble available.The competition of casinos etc is well documented but absolutely nothing has been done to counter the new competition as racing has not changed that mindset.............and racing is surprised it has regressed!
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rob faux Wrote:
> Muhtiman,I have raced for over 40 years and the
> characters you describe have lurked on every
> racecourse and racing establishment forever,but
> surely you are not suggesting that is the kind of
> info the articles refer to.
> Justin your referal to "understanding how it all
> works" I presume refers to handicapping,as that is
> your background,but you know that the rating of a
> horses is only valuable to the extent that the
> ability is reproduced,therefore information on the
> wellbeing and soundness of the horse is an
> integral support to handicapping.An example is
> that, in the 4th race today at Cwd, Impartial
> Justice and Bullring met again and one of them was
> not the horse that raced on the 9th April.You
> would need to be clairvoyant to have forecast the
> turnaround,but would have been purely on the
> fitness that they were turned out,in each
> run,after layoffs.
> It should not be the decision of stables whether
> to provide info,it should be a requirement of the
> regulations, in the form of barrier trials ,public
> timed workouts etc.It should not be a favour to
> punters, but a right.............other countries
> can do it.
> In 1973,it wasn't necessary to provide service as
> racing was the only gamble available.The
> competition of casinos etc is well documented but
> absolutely nothing has been done to counter the
> new competition as racing has not changed that
> mindset.............and racing is surprised it has
> regressed!
Well said Rob........
> Muhtiman,I have raced for over 40 years and the
> characters you describe have lurked on every
> racecourse and racing establishment forever,but
> surely you are not suggesting that is the kind of
> info the articles refer to.
> Justin your referal to "understanding how it all
> works" I presume refers to handicapping,as that is
> your background,but you know that the rating of a
> horses is only valuable to the extent that the
> ability is reproduced,therefore information on the
> wellbeing and soundness of the horse is an
> integral support to handicapping.An example is
> that, in the 4th race today at Cwd, Impartial
> Justice and Bullring met again and one of them was
> not the horse that raced on the 9th April.You
> would need to be clairvoyant to have forecast the
> turnaround,but would have been purely on the
> fitness that they were turned out,in each
> run,after layoffs.
> It should not be the decision of stables whether
> to provide info,it should be a requirement of the
> regulations, in the form of barrier trials ,public
> timed workouts etc.It should not be a favour to
> punters, but a right.............other countries
> can do it.
> In 1973,it wasn't necessary to provide service as
> racing was the only gamble available.The
> competition of casinos etc is well documented but
> absolutely nothing has been done to counter the
> new competition as racing has not changed that
> mindset.............and racing is surprised it has
> regressed!
Well said Rob........
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