WHY THIS FASCINATION WITH THE P/A?

I know I am going to get lambasted about this question, but let me explain,

I have been trying to catch P/A's but not very successful, I would rather play a P6.

My take is that to make money on the P/A you have to take it multiple times especially if the payout is small, for a big payout you need to get the outsiders and that makes it more difficult.

so how do you structure your P/A? do you leave out the fav and hope they get beat and put in less fancied horses? play small multiple times?

For me it is easier to catch the P6 than PA, for instances yesterday I caught P6 3% for outlay of R600 collected R11000, I could never do that with the same outlay on the PA..

This is not an attempt to criticize PA players I would just like to understand why everybody is so keen on PA's.
I am yet to meet a person who constantly make money on PA's, would love to hear how PA kings structure their bets

I agree with you, and it's a bet I struggle with because it's a wolf in sheepskin.

It looks easy, and it looks inviting, but it isn't.

The secret I believe, is that however you accomplish it, you have to hit multile times. The really good PA players are either taking massive perms and making a profit on turnover or there are selective players who go narrow and wide as their opinion dictates, and play big.

That leaves small players really just contributing to the pool mostly. The bet actually takes far more effort and skill than many people may realise. I agree that it takes more skill than the pick 6 which has couplings. When couplings go.....different story.

Ive tried many times to go for the straight line P/A but usually lose on one of the seven legs, however a friend of mine is an expert and wins regularly. Not that the doos will ever let me copy his selections! hahaha

The problem with playing P/6 imo is the first and last leg, especially when they are maiden races with few couplings.

The J/P is fun, I got the jackpot at turffontein on sat (tiny payout), then at Greyville and at Durbanville this week. It however only pays when the favourite gets rolled. Bearing in mind that any exotic won on the Vaal Sand is sure to pay!

Even though each exotic has it problems, it makes you have an interest in almost the whole racecard. Need to have a couple bankers though otherwise it gets a bit pricey. Looking forward to tomorrows racing and exotics at both Turf and Scots!

When I played exotics (some time ago) I used to only play the straight line PA

scotia Wrote:

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> When I played exotics (some time ago) I used to
> only play the straight line PA

The thing with a str line pa is it does have a bit of he lottery effect. It becomes a matter or choosing and playing couple hundred times. If you miss, little harm, if you hit its a matter of x00 times pay out. Mostly though you are contributing to paying specialist PA hunters. If it were sustainable to play the str line, there would be players playing it x1000s. I think you would go out.

You can get away with spending R250 on a jackpot which IN THEORY covers all of the bases but in a pick 6, if you had to spend 250 on the jackpot legs and then added 5 horses is the first leg of the pick 6 and then 5 horses in the last that would cost R6250!!!

How much on average des someone spend on a pick 6?

PA's remain an enigma, I love playing them but never seem to catch the big ones, have started trying Pick 6's now for a better payout..

Yet to catch one though.

Dalakhani Wrote:

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> PA's remain an enigma, I love playing them but
> never seem to catch the big ones, have started
> trying Pick 6's now for a better payout..
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> Yet to catch one though.

If I may give advise on P6, what i always do is I take a small % add in scratching's or where a coupling has a strong chance i take both or all 3 three(sometimes in an event of a bigger coupling) and in the last leg I ALWAYS TAKE THE FIELD or at least one of a coupling incl all scratch horses. This way you sometimes double up and if you have strong fav in last that get rolled you are in, and i must say that frequently I am glad that i have the field in the last because more often than not there is a outsider that wins and if you have doubled up in previous legs you get nice payout like I got yesterday.
the other day I stared with 1% and doubled up to 12% collected R56000 for my effort.

Jack Dash Wrote:

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> scotia Wrote:
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> > When I played exotics (some time ago) I used to
> > only play the straight line PA
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> The thing with a str line pa is it does have a bit
> of he lottery effect. It becomes a matter or
> choosing and playing couple hundred times. If you
> miss, little harm, if you hit its a matter of x00
> times pay out. Mostly though you are contributing
> to paying specialist PA hunters. If it were
> sustainable to play the str line, there would be
> players playing it x1000s. I think you would go
> out.


I have never played a PA but is it so wrong to take a PA for fun? if they results go to form the PA won`t pay anyway?

For me a place ATC [ books ] is a better bet. It allows me to select my races and allows one to play 3, 4 or 5 legs as opposed to 7. Biggest downside to the PA for me is the fact that you can play some decent fairly long shots that arrive, but if the favourite arrives with them the prices on your long shots mean nothing. Payout still small. imo.

The PA is the first and often the only bet I take - but very interesting to hear JB's thoughts on the P6 - my problem is that I am not in the big punting league, so I rather take a % in a large PA and then another with mostly favorites multiple times. I do catch quite a lot of them, but without making any real profit - but for me the idea is not to lose rather than try and win big.

I have not had much success with P6's even if I write down a 'big' one just to see how it goes - mostly go out in one leg.

What I like most about the PA is that it gives you an interest in most of the races on the day - until you go out, that is.

Frodo Wrote:

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> The PA is the first and often the only bet I take
> - but very interesting to hear JB's thoughts on
> the P6 - my problem is that I am not in the big
> punting league, so I rather take a % in a large PA
> and then another with mostly favorites multiple
> times. I do catch quite a lot of them, but without
> making any real profit - but for me the idea is
> not to lose rather than try and win big.
>
> I have not had much success with P6's even if I
> write down a 'big' one just to see how it goes -
> mostly go out in one leg.
>
> What I like most about the PA is that it gives you
> an interest in most of the races on the day -
> until you go out, that is.

I am amazed to hear this with your analyzing that you do, if you put those selection in a P6 surely you will go close and even catch the P6 often?.
If I can give advise IMHO, if you want to play a P6 take your selections and the field in the last for 1%, you will be amazed how many selections you can do for 1% and say R4-600. If p6 is difficult I some times take also the field in the first leg,

one that I often play is f x few selc x few selc x few selct x f x f and I include scr and here and there both of a coupling.

If I go out I go out in the middle legs, nothing frustrates me more than going out in 1st or last leg!