is niel pretorius try to mislead the punters because he dont have a clue?

Hi all Clanners

I have noticed that lately we are not too tolerant to views that differ from our own perceptions or way of thinking. I have been reading posts on this site for quite awhile and only lately have started to partake and add my opion.

NP did NOT tip 'The Colonels Son' in the fourth, nor ''Rain Gal' in the fifth, from the course in his first four and they did both win. I for one applaud him as in both cases he DID give his reasons for not tipping them in the first four and he DID add that they should however be included in all bets. The way I heard it was not to leave them out but to add others as to what he saw e. g. sweating.

IMHO this is not misleading but giving an honest opion of what he observes on course, things that cannot be seen on the telly. I do however believe that not all info received on course is passed on for whatever reason e.g. Telly Tack not allowing enough time, etc. IMVHO some presenters state this info as being their own assessment/choice, which in itself is not a true reflection and can be misleading to punters. I have heard whike watching the replays that a Trainer states that he had mentioned earlier that a horse was working very well and this was not passed on.

The bottom line is that what we have to learn is how to use, or not use, any info in coming to a conclusion of which Horse to back.

Neil I am not even bothering to read the whole thread as I know you would not ententially?( sorrry long night seeing Springboks toss a huge winning margain) tip or go against what you really thought. We ALL get races wrong but mostly not on purpose and am sure this is the case here. Cheers Craig

Flash Harry { St.Trinians } From Wiki:

Henry Cuthbert Edwards aka Flash Harry is a fictional character from the St. Trinian's series of films who first appears in the 1954 "The Belles of St. Trinian's and who also may be a "spiv".The term refers to an ostentatious, loudly-dressed and usually ill-mannered man.Sir Malcolm Sargent was also and earlier nick-named "Flash Harry"

In the St. Trinian's movies , Harry is a long time associate of the girl pupils, a Cockney involved in all sorts of shady dealings.His father sold racecards and Harry himself was employed as a boot-polisher when he was 12 by Miss Fritton, headmistress of St.Trinian's.As an adult, Harry is one of the few whom the pupils trust,he helps to bottle and sell their gin, distilled in the school chemistry lab, and places bets on race horses for them.Harry also runs the St.Trinian's Matrimonial Agency for the teenage sixth form girls,setting them up with wealthy men.He even runs a betting scam of his own.

By the time Amber Spottiswood {Dora Bryan} becomes headmistress, Harry's official connection to the school is as "Chairman of the Board of Governors" and he earns money as a costermonger when the school is closed.He sets up a betting shop on the school grounds under the name Harry Hackett Ltd. and takes bets from locals and pupils.

Harry appears to be quite well known in the criminal community, another crook {Lionel jeffries } referring to him as "riff-raff".


PORTRAYERS;




played by George Cole in the first four St. Trinian's movies:
" The Belles of St.Trinian's " 1954; "Blue Murder at St. Trinian's 1957: " The pure hell of St.Trinian's 1960. "The Great St.Trinian's Train Robbery", 1966.
Joe Melia played the part in "The Wildcats of St.Trinian's" in 1980.
Russel Brand was " Flash Harry" in the 2007 St.Trinian's film but did not return for "St.trinian's11; The legend of Frittons Gold " in 2009.

The main plot of " The Belles of St.Trinian's" centered around the kidnapping of a race horse and featured Sid James of "Carry On" fame as a shady bookmaker.

Quite a colourful character was Flash Harry!

The middle should be white noise, like ABC, like tipping the winner of every race but quoting every horse of every race as having a chance. The ultimate tipster. Flash has a right to be pissed off with the change he made to the bets as a result of a comment by NP (Just having a guess here) and equally NP has a right to be pissed at his comments. The middle is white noise. We make decisions all the time: clever ones, stupid ones and totally fucked up ones! Live with what you decided to do. No one changes your selection but you.

Karate Kid and all the other insults (Presenter / twooceansracing) has faced should be like water off of a ducks back by now.

I heard NP change his selection for 1st today in race 5 to - Casey's Moment. The horse went down a very short head. The test of Flash Harry's comments is; was NP helping or sticking us out, when a bob of the head was the difference? Another instance was Tobe's First. I had a problem with the pronounciaton Toby's First when it is "To Be's" first (check the breeding), but fact is this horse looked like a no hoper and ran fourth. I would question whether or not he is some kind of guru with some unexplained insight or maybe, he is just reporting on the buzz on course. (Listening to comments being made in the lead up to the race. Live racing and T Track are two very different experiences and we would expect the presenter to put us on course, by telling us what he is hearing. I am not a fan of Cape Racing or NP's tipping skills, but I think he does his bit by reporting on what he is hearing. (The problem is he is not hearing everything and how can we expect him or any other presenter to?) He has nothing to gain from putting us in the bin. The same should be said for any other course and any other presenter! We are all short compliments when they tp 20/1 and get a nice win! We have equal right to take some of our own ABC tipsters on when they go wrong but we don't!

We all have reasons why we are not Billionaire's. The biggest reason is that we do not accept fault for our own decisions. Allowing yourself to change a decision based on someone else's word, means that you do not trust your own mind and decisions. When you cannot trust your instinct, or decisions based on the facts that are apparent and need to rely on somone else's fact, expect to take a hiding. This is racing and racing mirrors life. Not for the weak and not for those who rely on somone else to decide a path!

Respect.

Neil Pretorius is a genuine/ honest person and he will always try to assist punters with the best information he has at his disposal. I would like to applaud Neil for having the courage to inform viewers of his observation w.r.t horse sweating. Nine times out of ten if a horse sweats excessively it does not perform to it's true potential. IMO Neil had a valid reason for his comments however this horse performed well enough to win the race.

Neil Pretorius, there is no bullsh!t talk with him, what he observes in the parade ring or information from a stable especially first time runners, he will inform the viewers. I wish all presenters could be like Neil.

Flash I understand your point of view, sometimes unintentionally presenters do get it wrong.
Most of the time Neil helps punters with great advice.

IMO Neil Pretorius is the best present in South Africa. I use his advice more often than any other presenter's info.

Guys after all that i've read on this topic,confucious says ,"if ignorance is bliss,tis folly to be wise".Leave these presenters.,its their job,not .everyone knows their job ,but it has to be done whether they're right or wrong.

Pulse Wrote:

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> Guys after all that i've read on this
> topic,confucious says ,"if ignorance is bliss,tis
> folly to be wise".Leave these presenters.,its
> their job,not .everyone knows their job ,but it
> has to be done whether they're right or wrong.


Nicely summed up Pulse! I must learn to shorten my BS up. Has far more impact when you say it in one or two lines!

Amazing. Some people would rather just have presenters that tip the top three every race.
Don't change a thing Neil. You have my respect, because you say what you think, not what is expected of you.

I heard Neil saying that he had come bankering that horse but unfortunately the horse wasnt lookin like it had done previously.I am huge fan of Neil and i think he cant be correct all the time but would you choose Rod over Neil.Neil remembers a horse, Rod remembers nothing about a horse and instead focuses on what trainers say in the ring.Dont i remember a thread praisin Neil just a short while

This thread has been one big yes vote for Neil P (tu) usually when we start a thread slating a TT employee the outcome is 100% different..

We all have opinions,doesn`t mean we all have to agree...

Flash Harry Wrote:

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> all i can say is it is easy to talk after wards


Yes, it really, really is!! That really is all you can say, twat.

To rubbish a bloke after the result, when you would have shut the fuck up if you had turned out wrong credits you with one label only, and that is Twat.

To think you are a hero for finding a 6/10 favourite, and lauding over someone who, with the odds AGAINST him gave his views, in public, before the race, just makes you a Twat.

IN A RUSH Wrote:

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> This guy doesn't have a clue, Rod McCurdy please
> help this guy,I believe his better
> at been a teacher or kirate instructor.
> Somebody please tell him that he as no clue about
> horse racing.
> Total joker.

Rod McCurdy, you are kidding hey...: