Poll shows that vast majority give e toll the thumbs up

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> ManP Wrote:
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> > I will never risk getting getting arrested or
> a
> > criminal record over just E-Tolls. Never
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> there is zero nil nada chance that you will be
> arrested over E -tolls - The spin created reminds
> me of my conscript days where the PF's would
> create weird and wonderful stories to control us.
> The courts have far more pressing things to worry
> about than R450 unpaid etolls no matter how the
> Government Bowlers try to spin this - There are
> courses of action that need to be followed before
> you end up in court and the notion that if you
> don't pay within 7 days they will send "debt
> collectors " after you is also bull - Imagine you
> drive on the road once and your toll is R20 - What
> debt collector will work on such a small fee -
> Nonsense and was as well thought out as the first
> Boer War!!


How will the folks without e-tags and an internet connection be notified what they owe within 7 days - and how will the 'manual' billing process work - are they sending out accounts on a daily basis - or weekly or .....:S

Will they blackmail non-payers into paying at licence renewal time - if so I can imagine lots more people just saying 'stuff the licence' and just drive without one and bribe the Metro Police if they happen to be unlucly enough to be stopped

Also, how reliable are those cameras at the gantries - when there is a lot of rain around, how are they able to accurate identify a smaller vehicle covered by the spray of a big truck - not to even mention bikes :S

sidali Wrote:

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> A lot of pensioners money was invested in the
> above company,the government gave the go ahead and
> no questions was raised in 2006,as in any
> agreement payment will come eventually when
> defaulter will get tired of being stopped and
> summons. Issued,,as in any case the plaintiff
> will claim costs and don't be surprised a lot of
> cars will be in the sheriffs auction.Logistically
> it will be a huge task,I the finance minister has
> the last say to avoid this conundrum,in..Fuel and
> tax will be temporary relief.

yeah sure! Never happen - How are you going to get a judge to let you impound a car for toll fees - Are there enough Sheriffs around to serve a notice for R2-86? How many people do you know that have had a sheriff visit them for not paying a TV License - This is a scheme to enrich a foreign company as we the SA people have more than paid for these roads in taxes

I am grateful that this foreign company has made my journey that much safer and quicker.Compared to other tenders you can take a drive and see for yourself potholes,roadworks washed away etc a few people have enriched themselves.
,As for the license issue,these debts are solid to debt collecting companies and they trace and recover outstanding monies..Small monies become viable when costs are added eg toll fees R2.86 x15%-interest +summons R51 +legal(lawyer) cost 380 so after a period it builds to a point were recovery will be viable!

Do I need one for the bike ?

sidali Wrote:

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> I am grateful that this foreign company has made
> my journey that much safer and quicker.Compared to
> other tenders you can take a drive and see for
> yourself potholes,roadworks washed away etc a few
> people have enriched themselves.
> ,As for the license issue,these debts are solid to
> debt collecting companies and they trace and
> recover outstanding monies..Small monies become
> viable when costs are added eg toll fees R2.86
> x15%-interest +summons R51 +legal(lawyer) cost 380
> so after a period it builds to a point were
> recovery will be viable!


I've already got my red T ready for next year's Cosatu marches -

sidali Wrote:

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> I am grateful that this foreign company has made
> my journey that much safer and quicker.Compared to
> other tenders you can take a drive and see for
> yourself potholes,roadworks washed away etc a few
> people have enriched themselves.
> ,As for the license issue,these debts are solid to
> debt collecting companies and they trace and
> recover outstanding monies..Small monies become
> viable when costs are added eg toll fees R2.86
> x15%-interest +summons R51 +legal(lawyer) cost 380
> so after a period it builds to a point were
> recovery will be viable!


With all due respect, I find your opinion very hard to follow - surely we pay taxes in this country and these taxes should be used amongst other things to build and maintain the roads - so the fact that we need a 'foreign country' to supply the finances for upgrading a few of the existing roads is already a blight on the government for either failing to collect the applicable taxes, or not using the applicable part of the monies collected to maintain the roads - but it seems they had more than enough money to pay for the 'security upgrades' at Nkandla

So imo the fact that the goverment went ahead to run up this huge mountain of debt without following the proper procedures (as many would argue) is their problem and they should not expect me to pay extra for this lunacy - as mentioned by Wayne Duvenage the other day, the first court case regarding non-payment is where the whole thing will fall down

Must also take into account jurisdictions.
If you drive from Roodepoort to Springs( N1, N12,N3,N12 ) you drive through four jurisdictions.
Roodepoort,Johannesburg,Germiston and Benoni.
Proceedings would have to be instituted out of each court having jurisdiction.
Will never work!

Guys Sanral will either outsource or sell the debts of the defaulters. So you will dealing with debt collectors and those people don't play. Good luck to those who are willing to take that risk.

ManP Wrote:

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> Guys Sanral will either outsource or sell the
> debts of the defaulters. So you will dealing with
> debt collectors and those people don't play. Good
> luck to those who are willing to take that risk.


If either Sanral or the 'debt collectors' send me account and can prove that I have received it, then I will pay - until then ....<

JAMES BLOND Wrote:

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> HUGE SANRAL EMBARRESSMENT - FAILURE
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> Alliance against urban tolling statement at 5pm
> yesterday that their in-situ electronic sensors
> confirm 985 322 vehicles passed through William
> Nicol gantry, only 1339 of them were registered
> with an e-tag. This is a massive setback for
> SANRAL
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> today they must sent out +/- 984000 accounts for
> payment just for that one ganntry what about the
> rest
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> imagine 1) they must now go and trace each persons
> address, 2 then print invoice 3) then post it and
> then if you do not pay start legal process and
> remember each invoice is a different case so on
> just one gantry and one day they have nearly 1000
> 000 casses by the end of the week it will be 4 000
> 000 and that is just one gantry
> that exclude cost of printing and posting
> there is no way that any company have the capacity
> do handle this suceesfully not in SOUTH AFRICA

That number is not for one day. I know the highway is wider now, but you need an extra 20 lanes to get 1000 000 cars a day ...

scotia Wrote:

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> Do I need one for the bike ?


Get Mrs S to cover the number plate at you cruise through the toll.

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