#whoislouis- The feel good factor can return to racing if Louis the King wins the triple Crown.

The July is now the ultimate target for 3-yo's even if open to all and even as a handicap. Me thinks the 1st leg of the triple crown shld be the Cape Guineas and the 3rd leg the July (only as the winner). A scrap for the 2nd leg, perhaps the SA Derby, but coastal horses don't raid the highveld.

Or what about a triple crown sprint instead and open to all horses in the same season. The Cape Flying C'ship, then the C'form sprint and then the Mercury? Now champion coastal merchants WILL raid the highveld. And swop the stakes between the Challenge and the C'form sprint. Sit back and watch the punters drove into the Big T.
At Vee, you can redirect my consulting fee to the retired racehorse fund.

Absolutely, you can play round with all different series's and promote racing so long as they are Gr1 races, but the current triple crown doesn't excite the purist with the first leg being a Gr2.... How can that excite anyone?

A true champion as Horse Chestnut was, won the triple crown and all 3 were Gr1 races!

Pierre Jordaan won the Gr2 first leg and the Gr1 second leg but proved that he was no Horse Chestnut, we haven't seen a true triple crown horse since Horse Chestnut in my opinion!

I hope Louis The King wins and then goes on to bigger things in Gr1 races, because that's what it's all about!

Just on the Triple Crown theory with having 3 Gr1's in all 3 provinces for a real triple crown fair to the whole of South Africa, Cape Guineas - Classic - Daily News...

I put it to you that traveling isn't a issue and MDK travels worldwide and the time between the 3 races will give everyone a fair chance...

Some examples, D Drier won the fillies classic raiding, Colin Lee won the Classic raiding, M Bass won the classic raiding.... De Kock and Maroun and Payne won the Guineas in CT raiding and have all won in the Cape with many others raiding... Jhb and CT trainers have all dominated the Daily News, it's a fair and real Gr1 triple crown option!

If it's unlikely that a horse can win all 3 in all 3 provinces over a period of 6 months, Phumelela and Gold Circle should take a gamble and offer US$1mil as a bonus, I would take a bet that De Kock would win it within 10 years!

That type of triple crown would create a serious build up and planning and really give racing a real marketing option!!!!!

Sharky even though the first leg is a gr2 don't you think the quality of the field is the same as the other two legs?

keniza999 Wrote:

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> Sharky even though the first leg is a gr2 don't
> you think the quality of the field is the same as
> the other two legs?


Absolutely not, there weren't any of the first 3 home in the Cape Guineas as well as no other cape or natal horses in the field.. It was the best around in Jhb hence the Gr2 status!

I see what you're saying that even though it was a Gr2 and the other two legs are Gr1 status they have the same horse, it's still a Gr2 though and those certainly aren't the best around to make such a big thing of a triple crown. No Legislate, Captain America and whatever else is around...

I am still shouting home Louis The King as I love to see a champion but would love it to be a real Gr1 Triple Crown.

Sharky Wrote:

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> I see what you're saying that even though it was a
> Gr2 and the other two legs are Gr1 status they
> have the same horse, it's still a Gr2 though and
> those certainly aren't the best around to make
> such a big thing of a triple crown. No Legislate,
> Captain America and whatever else is around...
>
> I am still shouting home Louis The King as I love
> to see a champion but would love it to be a real
> Gr1 Triple Crown.


Kinda like if the US triple crown had the Derby as their first leg but it was only open to horses from Kentucky and it was a GR2. It would still be the first leg of the TC but it would be quite a sad state

guys guys guys, the fact that it`s hard to win says to me why muck about with the TC

hibernia Wrote:

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> guys guys guys, the fact that it`s hard to win
> says to me why muck about with the TC


Can't be that hard. 3 horses already won it in however many years it has been around and two more have come within one race (that i can remember).

I agree with Sharky here. it should be representative of our SAF best which it isn't right now.

Sharky Wrote:

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> I see what you're saying that even though it was a
> Gr2 and the other two legs are Gr1 status they
> have the same horse, it's still a Gr2 though and
> those certainly aren't the best around to make
> such a big thing of a triple crown. No Legislate,
> Captain America and whatever else is around...
>
> I am still shouting home Louis The King as I love
> to see a champion but would love it to be a real
> Gr1 Triple Crown.

You make a very valid point, if its a triple crown then all legs should be group ones.

perhaps if the derby distance was 2000m (considering its 3yo's) we would have seen quite a few kings by now. but maybe Louis is the King

Tommy_Hotspur Wrote:

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> hibernia Wrote:
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> > guys guys guys, the fact that it`s hard to win
> > says to me why muck about with the TC
>
>
> Can't be that hard. 3 horses already won it in
> however many years it has been around and two more
> have come within one race (that i can remember).
>
> I agree with Sharky here. it should be
> representative of our SAF best which it isn't
> right now.


has it not been 15 years?