Sham yard positive???

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Re: Sham yard positive???

8 years 7 months ago
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OTA 100 % correct. Doping is cheating and I hate cheaters. :angry: However that is for drugs that enhance performance, most of these fines are for technical issues (I have no problem with them) and must be adheard to. Rules are rules (I've heard that before)
My gripe is with these repeat offenders that use performance enhancing dope, that stuff up our stud book, that cheat owners/trainers/groomes/jockeys out of hard earned money. Where are they being brought to book ? :angry: (IMVHO they should be banned for life as we dont need them in our industry.) Yet we hear on a regular basis of fines for the technical rules being broken, empty tubes lying around, registers not being filled in correctly, etc etc. Remember its easier for them to find/fine these "technical transgressors" than to prove performance enhancing doping so lets "look busy" and bust these "technical cheats" so we can feel better about taking our salaries. :angry:
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Re: Sham yard positive???

8 years 7 months ago
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Maria Shaparova Drug Ban


"I received a letter from the ITF that I failed a drugs test at the Australian Open. I take full responsibility for it. For the past ten years I have been given a medicine called mildronate by my family doctor and a few days ago after I received the ITF letter I found out that it also has another name of meldonium which I did not know.
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It is very important for you to understand that for ten years this medicine was not on WADA's banned list and I had legally been taking the medicine for the past ten years. But on January 1st [2016] the rules had changed and meldonium became a prohibited substance which I had not known.
I was given this medicine by my doctor for several health issues that I was having in 2006".[172]

She still gets the full ban albeit later gets shorten alittle on appeal although pleading ignorance.

Then we get the British Cyclists, Bradley Wiggins for example, using TUE's but still able to compete in events as the authorities was informed but it contributes to enhance performance. "Professional Dopers" but gets Carte Blanche...

Horseracing is the same....

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Re: Sham yard positive???

8 years 7 months ago - 8 years 7 months ago
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Over the last 2 years there has been more exposure of doping than in any time I can recall in my 40 odd years of following racing. This can be seen as a positive in terms of displaying that the NHRA are on top of their game and are rooting out the dopers. The negative is obvious and adds fuel to the "horse racing is crooked" fire. The current flaw is that when the dopers are caught, they do not receive the punishment that they deserve. It is all good and well that R600k fines are handed out, but what good does it serve if these are never paid? There seems to be some sort of legal defence against the NHRA in "open" court if the barometer is how long it takes for the guilty to settle. Another issue I have with the punishment is the fact that there is no clear rule that lists the infringements that will result in a warning off. Bizarrely it seems to me that some offences are "acceptable" if you are a first time offender

As a layman with no medical background, it is bizarre to me that the difference between doping and medicating is not a distinct and clearly obvious line to all and sundry. Even more bizarre is the handling of the positive cases by the NHRA. There seems to be no consistency in their application of the punishment handed out with similar offences carrying different fines.

Moaning is easy. Solutions that are fair to all, and in particular, fair to the horse, seem difficult. Trainers go into open revolt when perceived heavy handedness by the NHRA is implemented. Worse still, the NHRA seem to accede to the demands when threatened by boycott actions by those it supposedly governs. Who exactly is in control of racing? In my very humble opinion as a start the NHRA should implement the following asap, first and foremost there should be clear guidelines as to what medication causes positives and any medication that falls into this category cannot be administered by anyone but a licenced vet. In no particular importance I believe that the following needs to happen:

1. Vets need to be licenced by the NHRA. No treatment of horses in training by vets who are not accredited. Anyone caught treating a horse needs to be warned off regardless of the medication given. No grey areas, these are horsemen not medical experts.
2. No puncture rules need to be enforced and only licenced vets be allowed to inject. This includes the annual vacinations.
3. Emergency supplies can be held at stables but these need to be in a foolproof container so that if a horse is treated, it cannot be hidden. Glass needs to broken or a seal broken to gain access, there can be no hiding when something is administrated. So as an example to illustrate why these emergency supplies are needed, if a horse is colicking at 2 am, it can be treated and authorities advised within an accepted period - 6 hours seems fair. I am no expert but I am sure a "basic" emergency kit containing colic treatment and treatments for "common" ailments can be standardised in all racing yards?
4. Vets only register for all scheduled medicines. Trainers are not allowed to administer any medication that is listed as a scheduled treatment. No foreign medication, including medication purchased over the counter allowed. Again no grey areas.

Let's hear the inevitable whine about the costs. To me the solution is that the NHRA employ vets to do veterinary work at racing stables and this is their only form of employment. By doing this I believe that veterinary costs to owners can actually decrease because mark-ups and travelling costs will be far lower than those currently charged by those in private practice. Owners will also be charged directly by the NHRA and non-payers will soon be identified and got rid of. More importantly, the NHRA will now through these vets be actively involved in yards and can spot problems a lot earlier than they do now. Problems like horses being unsound, horses not having enough feed, horses not having enough bedding, horses not having adequate grooming, etc, etc. A further plus is that no horse will miss their annual and bi-annual vaccinations. This suggestion would be a win-win in most cases and to be honest, the people that it will negatively affect shouldn't be licenced anyway.
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Re: Sham yard positive???

8 years 7 months ago
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when i have met Dorrie she is always positive, never complains .

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Re: Sham yard positive???

8 years 7 months ago
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Conflicting comments on Sportingpost. One comment says horse was going to be retired hence the medication but less ran two weeks later...

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Re: Sham yard positive???

8 years 7 months ago
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Naresh ...the stable posted on here what happened . The stable response on Sporting Post was to a trainer who has a short memory on unsound horses ..if the owner wants the trainer to try once more with a horse its the owners decision. The charge was on a technicality of it not being written up which was only told to trainers the week before that it had to be...

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Re: Sham yard positive???

8 years 7 months ago - 8 years 7 months ago
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I agree that the sentence is lenient BUT I would like to rather speak about it without the trainers name. So maybe we could talk about it in the 3rd party.


Much like having a shit it is never really done until the paperwork is completed. I had over 120 men in the field working for me for BT and Virgin Media , we completed over 200 jobs a day of various sizes and values and every single day we FAILED because 2 or 3 jobs the paperwork was NOT submitted. YES 2 or 3 jobs and the email chain would start in the NOC in India and end up with the CEO of BT. It was a joke BUT it was LAW.

So this is the reality of the world, whether its medication or fibre optic cabling or Mr's Jones new phone jack the rules say the paperwork needs to be done. Not tomorrow not next week but when the medication is administered or the cable is pulled.

I ended up in therapy following a nervous breakdown and sold out. I just cold not handle the fact that we succeeded 99% of the time every day and failed very little. I could not handle the dis proportionate fines labelled against a job that (was working) but failed because the paperwork was not done.

Sometimes reason for lack of paperwork were:
I phone flat
no signal
tired after a 14 hour shift

so I get it. BUT I also get the rules, I felt the rules were unjust so I got out. If you stay in then you have to abide by them I guess.
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Re: Sham yard positive???

8 years 7 months ago
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Mr Hanson reported retired as of yesterday. Someone is telling pork pies ;)

What happened to all the "evidence" has that post been pulled or removed?

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Re: Sham yard positive???

8 years 7 months ago
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OTA how could the gelding be registered and not the retirement ...I wonder who is telling Porkies. not sure where the evidence has gone obviously lots of anti ABC read the site.

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Re: Sham yard positive???

8 years 4 months ago
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What now ? Where are the big mouths ?

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Re: Sham yard positive???

8 years 4 months ago
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Bob Brogan wrote: What now ? Where are the big mouths ?

Explain :unsure:

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Re: Sham yard positive???

8 years 4 months ago
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I will bite.

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