Inquiry in Cape Town
- Sylvester
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8 years 4 months ago
both Emer accept. have both runs since MET Day and did not light the tracks up.
seems storm in tea cup
seems storm in tea cup
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- Bob Brogan
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A TRAINER, ASSISTANT TRAINER or STABLE EMPLOYEE (where applicable):-
10.5.12 shall notify the SB immediately he becomes aware of any circumstances that could lead to
the scratching of any HORSE trained by him which has been entered for a RACE and, if
called upon to do so, shall without delay furnish the ROR with a supporting veterinary
certificate where appropriate;
10.5.12 shall notify the SB immediately he becomes aware of any circumstances that could lead to
the scratching of any HORSE trained by him which has been entered for a RACE and, if
called upon to do so, shall without delay furnish the ROR with a supporting veterinary
certificate where appropriate;
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49. ENTRIES
49.1 All entries, scratchings, and the declaration of HORSES, RIDERS, grooms, blinkers,
pacifiers, tongue ties, tongue straps, sheepskin cheek pieces and racing plates shall be made
in terms of the RULES and the RACING OPERATOR’S conditions, as published from time to time52. SCRATCHINGS
52.1 No HORSE shall, save as provided for in the RULES, be scratched or withdrawn from any
RACE for which it has been entered unless and until the OWNER, or the holder of his
authority to act shall have given notice to the ROR concerned and such scratching shall only
be deemed to be effective at the time of receipt of such communication by the ROR.
52.2 Scratchings must be advised, in WRITING, or by telephone to the ROR. Scratchings by
telephone shall be confirmed in WRITING on the same day. Failure to submit such written
confirmation may not affect the validity of the scratching and the decision of the ROR whether
to accept such scratching shall be final and binding.
53.3 Save as provided for in RULES 4.2.9, 4.2.12, 4.2.13, 4.2.14 and 49.7, no HORSE may be
scratched after the time of final declarations except:-
53.3.1 with the permission of the SB;
53.3.2 if it becomes ineligible in terms of the conditions of the RACE;
53.3.3 if the date, venue or the distance of a RACE is altered in terms of RULE 49.19;
53.3.4 if there has been a non-compliance with RULE 39 by the time prescribed for a HORSE to
be on the RACE COURSE in terms of RULE 57.1.2, in which event the HORSE may be
withdrawn from the RACE by the SB;
53.3.5 if there has been a non-compliance with RULE 38 by the time prescribed for a HORSE to
be on a RACE COURSE in terms of RULE 57.1.2, in which event the HORSE may be
withdrawn from the RACE by the SB;
53.3.6 if the equipment to be carried by the HORSE during the RACE is found to be defective.
53.4 Should the OWNER or the holder of an Authority to Act wish to scratch a HORSE on
veterinary grounds after final declarations in terms of RULES 4.2.12, such request shall be
made, in writing, to the SB. Approval of such request shall be at the discretion of the SB.
49.1 All entries, scratchings, and the declaration of HORSES, RIDERS, grooms, blinkers,
pacifiers, tongue ties, tongue straps, sheepskin cheek pieces and racing plates shall be made
in terms of the RULES and the RACING OPERATOR’S conditions, as published from time to time52. SCRATCHINGS
52.1 No HORSE shall, save as provided for in the RULES, be scratched or withdrawn from any
RACE for which it has been entered unless and until the OWNER, or the holder of his
authority to act shall have given notice to the ROR concerned and such scratching shall only
be deemed to be effective at the time of receipt of such communication by the ROR.
52.2 Scratchings must be advised, in WRITING, or by telephone to the ROR. Scratchings by
telephone shall be confirmed in WRITING on the same day. Failure to submit such written
confirmation may not affect the validity of the scratching and the decision of the ROR whether
to accept such scratching shall be final and binding.
53.3 Save as provided for in RULES 4.2.9, 4.2.12, 4.2.13, 4.2.14 and 49.7, no HORSE may be
scratched after the time of final declarations except:-
53.3.1 with the permission of the SB;
53.3.2 if it becomes ineligible in terms of the conditions of the RACE;
53.3.3 if the date, venue or the distance of a RACE is altered in terms of RULE 49.19;
53.3.4 if there has been a non-compliance with RULE 39 by the time prescribed for a HORSE to
be on the RACE COURSE in terms of RULE 57.1.2, in which event the HORSE may be
withdrawn from the RACE by the SB;
53.3.5 if there has been a non-compliance with RULE 38 by the time prescribed for a HORSE to
be on a RACE COURSE in terms of RULE 57.1.2, in which event the HORSE may be
withdrawn from the RACE by the SB;
53.3.6 if the equipment to be carried by the HORSE during the RACE is found to be defective.
53.4 Should the OWNER or the holder of an Authority to Act wish to scratch a HORSE on
veterinary grounds after final declarations in terms of RULES 4.2.12, such request shall be
made, in writing, to the SB. Approval of such request shall be at the discretion of the SB.
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8 years 4 months agoBob Brogan wrote: A TRAINER, ASSISTANT TRAINER or STABLE EMPLOYEE (where applicable):-
10.5.12 shall notify the SB immediately he becomes aware of any circumstances that could lead to
the scratching of any HORSE trained by him which has been entered for a RACE and, if
called upon to do so, shall without delay furnish the ROR with a supporting veterinary
certificate where appropriate;
That rule is pretty clear... i
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8 years 4 months agoSylvester wrote: both Emer accept. have both runs since MET Day and did not light the tracks up.
seems storm in tea cup
If you had an emergency runner in a 5 million rand race and you knew there was a runner that would not run I think you would want your horse to run regardless of its ability.. after all you spent money buying at the sales just to have a ticket for this race...
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- zsuzsanna04
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Hardly the point, Sylvester.
Regardless of what the inquiry does or does not find, what this situation has shown is that these big money races present difficulties in more ways than one and as we have seen here, there are a number of challenges and eventualities that the rules do not cater for.
As an academic exercise, it would be interesting to list what the fine would be for the late scratching. And then by comparison, what the various places paid..... I'm guessing there is likely to be a large disparity.
The concept is sold on the premise that everyone has a fair shot at the money. Unfortunately the bigger the stake, the bigger the temptation. So particularly with races with lots of '0's paid paid out in dollars, additional measures need to be put in place.
In this case, it's likely closing the door after the horse has bolted, but whatever happens with the inquiry, I hope the authorities and organisers learn from this and tighten up the rules.
Regardless of what the inquiry does or does not find, what this situation has shown is that these big money races present difficulties in more ways than one and as we have seen here, there are a number of challenges and eventualities that the rules do not cater for.
As an academic exercise, it would be interesting to list what the fine would be for the late scratching. And then by comparison, what the various places paid..... I'm guessing there is likely to be a large disparity.
The concept is sold on the premise that everyone has a fair shot at the money. Unfortunately the bigger the stake, the bigger the temptation. So particularly with races with lots of '0's paid paid out in dollars, additional measures need to be put in place.
In this case, it's likely closing the door after the horse has bolted, but whatever happens with the inquiry, I hope the authorities and organisers learn from this and tighten up the rules.
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I have just been informed that the horse in question is a Ramsden horse and owned by the Joostes. If this is indeed true ( I am working on hearsay ), then I believe Brugman has done his job by protecting Jooste interests and keeping a Crawford horse out.
Unsporting it is most definitely. Breaking the rules a lot less clear - wait for the we thought he would have recovered and gave him every chance excuses.
Unsporting it is most definitely. Breaking the rules a lot less clear - wait for the we thought he would have recovered and gave him every chance excuses.
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8 years 4 months ago - 8 years 4 months agoOver the Air wrote: I have just been informed that the horse in question is a Ramsden horse and owned by the Joostes. If this is indeed true ( I am working on hearsay ), then I believe Brugman has done his job by protecting Jooste interests and keeping a Crawford horse out.
Unsporting it is most definitely. Breaking the rules a lot less clear - wait for the we thought he would have recovered and gave him every chance excuses.
I don't blame him/them, I would've done the same thing. Nice guys finish last, we are dealing with big money here!
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8 years 4 months ago - 8 years 4 months agoTappa wrote:Over the Air wrote: I have just been informed that the horse in question is a Ramsden horse and owned by the Joostes. If this is indeed true ( I am working on hearsay ), then I believe Brugman has done his job by protecting Jooste interests and keeping a Crawford horse out.
Unsporting it is most definitely. Breaking the rules a lot less clear - wait for the we thought he would have recovered and gave him every chance excuses.
I don't blame him/them, I would've done the same thing. Nice guys finish last, we are dealing with big money here!
It's a sport. "The Sport of Kings". It's called cheating. They broke the rules. Jooste is part of the sales company selling the dream. He would be gobsmacked. Heads might roll.
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8 years 4 months agojohanm wrote:Tappa wrote:Over the Air wrote: I have just been informed that the horse in question is a Ramsden horse and owned by the Joostes. If this is indeed true ( I am working on hearsay ), then I believe Brugman has done his job by protecting Jooste interests and keeping a Crawford horse out.
Unsporting it is most definitely. Breaking the rules a lot less clear - wait for the we thought he would have recovered and gave him every chance excuses.
I don't blame him/them, I would've done the same thing. Nice guys finish last, we are dealing with big money here!
It's a sport. "The Sport of Kings". It's called cheating. They broke the rules. Jooste is part of the sales company selling the dream. He would be gobsmacked. Heads might roll.
It's called bending the rules.
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8 years 4 months agoTappa wrote:johanm wrote:Tappa wrote:Over the Air wrote: I have just been informed that the horse in question is a Ramsden horse and owned by the Joostes. If this is indeed true ( I am working on hearsay ), then I believe Brugman has done his job by protecting Jooste interests and keeping a Crawford horse out.
Unsporting it is most definitely. Breaking the rules a lot less clear - wait for the we thought he would have recovered and gave him every chance excuses.
I don't blame him/them, I would've done the same thing. Nice guys finish last, we are dealing with big money here!
It's a sport. "The Sport of Kings". It's called cheating. They broke the rules. Jooste is part of the sales company selling the dream. He would be gobsmacked. Heads might roll.
It's called bending the rules.
It's not how Jooste plays the game. It's bringing his name into disrepute.
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8 years 4 months ago
I still remember Crawford on U S O when asked about his one runner that was an emergency acceptor said something along the lines of Wo will scratch in a $500K race.
The principle is often abused especially in Plats races by big stables to keep races . Seen it a million times . A trainer with a top horse with low acceptances will add two or three runners Scratch on the day just so the race stands Up. Once I remember a top trainer had a horse he scratched on the day , the NHA vets went to the stable to do a check , the horse was on the farm was not even in training.
A recent example Race 2 at Turfontien on Saturday . PEP SQUAD Scratched - JJ v Vuuren .
Originally 6 Runners Brazuca had to have a run .
Stipes report
a) PEP SQUAD insufficient recovery time (Trainer) (Rule 53.5 applies). The horse had a 73 Rating , Had no chance in that field Why did he accept in the first place .
The principle is often abused especially in Plats races by big stables to keep races . Seen it a million times . A trainer with a top horse with low acceptances will add two or three runners Scratch on the day just so the race stands Up. Once I remember a top trainer had a horse he scratched on the day , the NHA vets went to the stable to do a check , the horse was on the farm was not even in training.
A recent example Race 2 at Turfontien on Saturday . PEP SQUAD Scratched - JJ v Vuuren .
Originally 6 Runners Brazuca had to have a run .
Stipes report
a) PEP SQUAD insufficient recovery time (Trainer) (Rule 53.5 applies). The horse had a 73 Rating , Had no chance in that field Why did he accept in the first place .
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