Horseracing and Motor racing What do they have in common

I completely disagree. The horse plays the least part in the success of the trainer and the owner. I would like to clarify that success (I'm my case) is not winning championships but rather maintaining a good strike rate (%) and maintaining consistency.

The Trainer
Having a horse rated 60 does not mean having a poor performing horse. 60 rated horse and 106 rated horse eat the same need the same attention and frankly are the same apart from a rating. Therefore the key is in being able to be consistent with a horse at what ever rating it has.

I have never understood why in a field of 12 with all horses rated 60 , all distance suited its almost always the same trainers who's horses run last.

The jockey.
I firmly believe that the standard is a little lower BUT its so easy to fix. Many many years ago when i was an agent there was a jockey called Charlie Van Booma. His agent (tony) decided one season to take any ride for Charlie. All of a sudden Charlie was riding full cards mostly scrubbers BUT in all those rides he became RACE FIT. He became RACE AWARE and the next season he started riding a better quality animal with great results. Sadly he had an accident and we never saw the best of him which i am SURE was still to come. You see the day you qualify from the academy you get a chunk of cash and the title of professional jockey. Then you take yourself 40 rides a month and earn R40k which is easy money.
Ryan Munger is riding like a man possessed and the ONLY thing that has changed is his amount of race riding. I think race riding is key to sustained growth in a jockey's ability.

TNaicker wrote:

mydada wrote: Verstappen should stf bringing this argument just because we have the worlds best driver in another color

Easiest way to evaluate this is to look at what the second driver does to know whether it's the car or th e driver...

Take Veltteri Bottas...Hamilton's team-mate at Mercedes...

In 3 years with Williams, no wins, no poles, no fastest laps...
In 2 years with Mercedes, 3 wins, 6 poles and 9 fastest laps...

So car or driver ? Pretty obvious to me...

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mydada wrote:

TNaicker wrote:

mydada wrote: Verstappen should stf bringing this argument just because we have the worlds best driver in another color

Easiest way to evaluate this is to look at what the second driver does to know whether it's the car or th e driver...

Take Veltteri Bottas...Hamilton's team-mate at Mercedes...

In 3 years with Williams, no wins, no poles, no fastest laps...
In 2 years with Mercedes, 3 wins, 6 poles and 9 fastest laps...

So car or driver ? Pretty obvious to me...

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So what was the point of your chirp? Anyone achieving success needs the right resources and Hamilton has had the best car to enable his success...just like AM has the best rides to achieve his high strike rate of wins...nothing to do with the colour of one's skin that you allude (Verstappen's argument) to...

No driver or jockey can make their car or horse quicker / better than their inherent ability...but they can make them slower...:whistle:

mydada wrote: Verstappen should stf bringing this argument just because we have the worlds best driver in another color

SA mentality!

It seemed for a while after that post that nobody would take the bait!!! But alas.

were there similar claims coming through media in past drivers cha.pionship say in .mansell senna proist lauda era

hello tnaicker and co
i am not here to show you the wood for the trees

mydada wrote: hello tnaicker and co
i am not here to show you the wood for the trees

@mydada...if you choose to see things through the colour of a person's skin, then that is your choice...

Hamilton's achievements are excellent and he will surely get 2-3 more titles to surpass Schumacher...his achievements are his alone...he does not do so on behalf of persons of colour and we should therefore not claim glory because he is one of "us" rather than "them"...

You attacking what Verstappen said as if Hamilton will acknowledge your defence of his achievements being criticised by one of "them" - he doesn't care because he knows the truth of his ability and won't get baited by that which he knows is not the truth...

The truth is that any driver or jockey is assisted in achieving by the car / mounts that they have...

did we read about Piquet saying the same about Mansell or Rossi about.Marquez

I would put Verstappen's comments down to his age...21...still naive / stupid about how the now PC world works and how his comments can be viewed...

Remember that Verstappen seems to like being the bad guy and wanting controversy...remember his clash on and off track with Esteban Ocon...

Only take something to heart if something said is the truth...if no truth to something, what does it matter to some-one who knows their own truth which cannot be defined by some-one else...just saying...

Your formula1 has sometimes just a 1000th of a second difference in lap times which is approximately the width of a matchbox from what the commentator have said before so a driver probably makes that difference. I have stated before that Anton himself has said that at least 97% of jockeys would win on the horse's he rides. Both he and great trainers like Mike de k and Dennis Drier have said categorically on tv that you have to have the horse and without a horse with plenty ability you can do what you want and it won't win feature races.

Craig Eudey wrote: Your formula1 has sometimes just a 1000th of a second difference in lap times which is approximately the width of a matchbox from what the commentator have said before so a driver probably makes that difference. I have stated before that Anton himself has said that at least 97% of jockeys would win on the horse's he rides. Both he and great trainers like Mike de k and Dennis Drier have said categorically on tv that you have to have the horse and without a horse with plenty ability you can do what you want and it won't win feature races.

ABILITY is the key word - Just like horses have degrees of ability(skill) so do jockeys and trainers owners and punters - That cannot ever be in dispute or Racing will be the only activity in the world where all men (and women) are equal -