Fears and thoughts in South Africa

Lol I want to see how they do it electronically or viva cellphone. Not in any one walking this earth today.they can't organize a piss up in a pub. I want to see this fuck up

Galleria Mall now require proof of vaccination to enter...

So government not mandating "vaccines" but through unions pushing it on their members as well as businesses citing OHS requirements, they will try to enforce the vaccination requirements...

I repeat what I said before...the prevailing narrative is that unvaccinated automatically equals infected and transmitting and therefore a danger to everyone they interact with...those most vociferous about "vaccines" know it is a lie as the vaccinated can also get infected and transmit...they will argue about severity of infection and transmission being lower and that there are no side effects...all I'll say to that is that with only 8 months worth of data, no-one knows and can say so conclusively...

And this is the only virus that I know of where natural immunity has, sadly, been ignored, frowned upon, discarded, etc...just to push the "vaccines" that have made some people and companies very very very rich...

I'm not anti-vaccine...I'm just pro natural immunity being longer lasting and more adaptable to variants than what is currently being passed off as a "vaccine"...

I wish all fellow Clanners safety and health...whether vaccinated or not...and lets help each other make a few cents while we are still around...

I can tell you guys now I went for the JeJ vac and I was sick for a few days. It's a once of jab but I won't go for any other covid vaccine again I don't care what the government do or what they force and if I can't go and buy groceries in a supermarket so be it I will let someone else buy it for me.

SA making steady progress in SA. Pic shows % of population over 18 that have had at least 1 dose of either j and j or Pfizer. Western Cape outperforming other provinces at this stage.


This shows 7.6 million fully vaccinated

Current male to female split is
57.44 Female
42.56 Male

Men seem scared of needles.

Sly: men are scared of little pricks and so are the ladies .

TNaicker wrote:

A bit concerning the way things are heading...

The current thinking seems to be that unvaccinated automatically equals infected and transmitting the virus hence a danger to anyone the unvaccinated interacts with...and that vaccinated equals safe...yet the lessening of symptoms among the vaccinated merely provides an illusion of safety as they can still get infected and still transmit the virus...

My simplistic view is that the vaccinated have current comfort and future uncertainty as to the long term effects (no-one can honestly say there are none as there is only 8 months of data) and the number and frequency of boosters...

The unvaccinated have current uncertainty regarding possible infection but a lot more long term certainty as any natural immunity is longer lasting and more adaptable / resistant to variants...

Each person makes a choice as to the route they want to take with the attendant consequences...

Stay safe and stick to as many of the pre-"vaccine" precautions...this coronavirus, like others that have always been in our environments, will be around for a long long time...

TN, this has been taken out of context unvaccinated people can still enter and shop at the Mall, however,if you intend visiting the offices in the complex, you are required to be vaccinated, whether one jab or two, is unclear.

Here's the thing though, one's choice not to be vaccinated is theirs entirely, by the same token, the unvaccinated should not cry foul when denied access to employment, air travel, etc.

Most people contracting the virus, and dying, are in the main, the unvaccinated. No-one is disputing that a vaccinated person cannot contract the virus, their chances of hospitalisation are less and their chances of dying are much less than an unvaccinated person - that is a fact.

I have a friend working in the UAE right now, last night he told me they are up to 600 new infections per day, unfortunately those are all unvaccinated people, a similar scenario is playing out in the USA in predominantly Republican controlled states where those in charge are literally killing people with conspiracies regards the vaccines.

The reason the vaccinated will have to take booster shots, is because the virus keeps mutating, and this is happening primarily in the unvaccinated.

The earlier viruses, be it polio, chicken pox, etc, did not mutate, hence the then one vaccine worked.

The problem we face today, the totally unqualified are telling the scientist, they have no clue, really.

The so called long term effects of being vaccinated, until those come to light, that is fear mongering and totally baseless.

There is an hilarious tweet from Nicki Manaj about her cousin's friend in Trinidad, who had the vaccine and became impotent because his balls swelled up after taking the vaccine. Needless to say, everyone wants to interview him and see his swollen genitals, for a fee i might add, because this is an absolute BS story.

Oddly enough, the Conservative tv hosts in the States, have taken the vaccine, and are tell their viewers not to do so - how dishonest and despicable. For what it's worth, Donal Trump and his entire family have taken the vaccine, but tells his followers, "take the vaccine, but you entitled to you freedoms", by not having it. He was booed by his red-neck supporters

@bayern...many thanks for your reply...

Nowhere in your post do you say anything about natural immunity (which most certainly does exist) which is longer lasting and more likely to be adapatable to variants...

I think the unvaccinated have current concerns about infection (I do and take all the pre-"vaccine" precautions when interacting with anyone outside our household) but 20 months in, many have acquired natural immunity (and I do hope that I am one of those)...with the vaccinated, if they are infected, the suppressed / less severe symptoms may give those around them a false sense of comfort that can lead to transmission...

I don't listen to any of the conservative commentators in the US nor am I able to see DJT's thoughts as he no longer has a public forum in which to do so...I'm not on any social media (Twitter, Facebook, etc) to follow him or others that have advanced no-vax narratives but have done otherwise...

So each to their own...stay safe and healthy, whatever you do and whether vaccinated or not...

TNaicker wrote:

Galleria Mall now require proof of vaccination to enter...

So government not mandating "vaccines" but through unions pushing it on their members as well as businesses citing OHS requirements, they will try to enforce the vaccination requirements...

I repeat what I said before...the prevailing narrative is that unvaccinated automatically equals infected and transmitting and therefore a danger to everyone they interact with...those most vociferous about "vaccines" know it is a lie as the vaccinated can also get infected and transmit...they will argue about severity of infection and transmission being lower and that there are no side effects...all I'll say to that is that with only 8 months worth of data, no-one knows and can say so conclusively...

And this is the only virus that I know of where natural immunity has, sadly, been ignored, frowned upon, discarded, etc...just to push the "vaccines" that have made some people and companies very very very rich...

I'm not anti-vaccine...I'm just pro natural immunity being longer lasting and more adaptable to variants than what is currently being passed off as a "vaccine"...

I wish all fellow Clanners safety and health...whether vaccinated or not...and lets help each other make a few cents while we are still around...

I'm not going to argue the point as everyone is entitled to choose - and I'm all for 'natural immunity' - but current evidence shows that one is much less vulnerable to get seriously ill if one is vaccinated - imo most if not all people will get infected at some stage; so the vaccine would help - so for me I can't see much reason for not getting the jab :huh:

@Frodo...getting the jab starts one on the path of needing the boosters for the variants and it's not a path I choose to go down...

There are many that it will most certainly assist in terms of minimising the worst of the symptoms and I'm thankful that it serves that purpose to those specific people...

If you are not in an "at-risk" category (elderly, pre-existing condition, family history of certain illnesses, overweight, low vit D, etc, etc) you have a very high probability of coming out fine the other side of (probable / possible) infection...that's the science I have chosen to follow...other family that fall into those risk categories have had their vaccines and I hope they are the better for it, now and in the forseeable future...

Stay safe and healthy...

TNaicker wrote:

@bayern...many thanks for your reply...

Nowhere in your post do you say anything about natural immunity (which most certainly does exist) which is longer lasting and more likely to be adapatable to variants...

I think the unvaccinated have current concerns about infection (I do and take all the pre-"vaccine" precautions when interacting with anyone outside our household) but 20 months in, many have acquired natural immunity (and I do hope that I am one of those)...with the vaccinated, if they are infected, the suppressed / less severe symptoms may give those around them a false sense of comfort that can lead to transmission...

I don't listen to any of the conservative commentators in the US nor am I able to see DJT's thoughts as he no longer has a public forum in which to do so...I'm not on any social media (Twitter, Facebook, etc) to follow him or others that have advanced no-vax narratives but have done otherwise...

So each to their own...stay safe and healthy, whatever you do and whether vaccinated or not...

Natural immunity, that is the quote by the unvaccinated who have no fallen seriously ill to-date. If this concept truly worked, would it be fair to say we should have had no deaths. We are all born with natural immunity, however those who sadly succumbed to the virus, their antibodies were not "strong" enough to "overcome" the virus.

The stats show, right now, those becoming infected with the virus, is because their natural immunity has failed to suppress the virus. The vaccine, in my opinion, is a back-up to one's natural immunity. Then again, i am not qualified enough to be an advice giving authority on the subject, i believe we are all born with it, natural immunity that is.

I believe people are conflating the after effects of having had COVID 19, with the supposed long term effects of having the vaccine. I admit to having a headache after having my first jab, second jab, no side effects. Nobody has come up with an honest long term effect of having/taking the vaccine, right now, they are house-wives tales - to prove my point, name one long terms effect of having taken the vaccine, or anyone reading this post - knock yourselves out, make us woke to what you alone know.

For what it's worth,DJT is appearing on lots of conservative tv networks, chances are you don't watch, i do, because he spews lies and his supporters just lap it up, real heard mentality. This is the self same person who said last year this virus will magically disappear, and soon - remember that? Then he suggested drinking hydroxychloroquine.

I just marvel at some comments on here, that are put to us as if by someone having first hand knowledge on the subject matter, yet there leading experts out there that have differing views on the exact same subject matter.

Mossel wrote:

I can tell you guys now I went for the JeJ vac and I was sick for a few days. It's a once of jab but I won't go for any other covid vaccine again I don't care what the government do or what they force and if I can't go and buy groceries in a supermarket so be it I will let someone else buy it for me.

Mossel, not a bad sign getting sick from the jab. Sickness last at the most only 2 days. It shows your immune system can fight the virus.
Got the Pfizer jabs. Had no symptoms from the 1’st jab, but the second one had me man down for 2 days.
If it comes to the point where I had to get a booster, I will be in front of the queue.
You get healthy people that have died or got extremely sick from COVID.