Yes or No - Did the stipes get it wrong?

Tigershark
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4 years 1 month ago

If that is not clear evidence then I do not know what is? Every time Smoking Hot accelerated she was bumped and every time looked to be going past the winner. Lost by 0.6 of a length, if the winner had won by a margin of 2-3 lengths going away then not a problem.

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4 years 1 month ago

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It's instructive how the stipes try to justify their decision in the report...Smoking Hot was carried in MARGINALLY by Don't Look Back which shifted in SLIGHTLY...did they watch the same race?...Don't Look Back is marginally inside the horse in yellow at the 200-300m mark...towards centre of course...by the 100m mark it was 3-4 horse widths from the inside rail...that is NOT "shifted in slightly"...

I didn't take any bets on the race so not talking from my pocket...in my mind, despite the obvious interference, the runner up did well to still be within 0.5 lengths of the "winner" at the line...and the movement of the "winner" from centre to inside cost the runner up much more than 0.5 lengths...

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4 years 1 month ago

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My opinion...the Stipes were correct, also correct to refund the deposit...
Is the rule correct? IMO...No
This is the reason we have the cowboy riding...you may be wrong but you can say sorry later, is the attitude of quite a few jockeys out there. They all know that the rider coming from behind is more likely to come off second best...(the taxi analogy is quite pertinent)
The purpose of keeping a straight line is to prevent accidents, and we are getting close to seeing some...which is not good. We are still going see a rash retaliation that is going to have serious consequences.

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4 years 1 month ago

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To make this more interesting...
I am of the opinion that a horse/jockey causing interference gets disqualified, and that horse gets placed last- no changing of horse positions. Trainer/Owner can then take it up with the jockey instead of paying for their fine/deposit etc...

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4 years 1 month ago

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Answering the title of this thread - “yes”.

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4 years 1 month ago

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55/45 decision in favour of Kennedy IMO, watched the main race incident for the first time today and it was Clairwod Park dejavu where Muzi brought down Fourie where they rewired that horses jaw, Yeni a good job jockey but he is reckless and going to cause somebody harm

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Re: Yes or No - Did the stipes get it wrong?

4 years 1 month ago

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onyerway wrote: 55/45 decision in favour of Kennedy IMO, watched the main race incident for the first time today and it was Clairwod Park dejavu where Muzi brought down Fourie where they rewired that horses jaw, Yeni a good job jockey but he is reckless and going to cause somebody harm

Seemingly his fellow jocks think he is going to kill someone one of these days...

Trainer told me tonight that the jocks feel the stipes shat it, and Muzi should have got two months for that ride and not the two weeks... Not all harmony in Jocks room!

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onyerway wrote: 55/45 decision in favour of Kennedy IMO, watched the main race incident for the first time today and it was Clairwod Park dejavu where Muzi brought down Fourie where they rewired that horses jaw, Yeni a good job jockey but he is reckless and going to cause somebody harm

if they don't crack down, it will only encourage other jockeys to do the same

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4 years 1 month ago

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They are already doing the same, De Melo took Kommetdieding & Cele out of the race and almost knocked Cele off the horse. He then continued to cause further interference in the straight and he was not the only jock doing this on Sunday.

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4 years 1 month ago

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Pirhobeta wrote:

onyerway wrote: 55/45 decision in favour of Kennedy IMO, watched the main race incident for the first time today and it was Clairwod Park dejavu where Muzi brought down Fourie where they rewired that horses jaw, Yeni a good job jockey but he is reckless and going to cause somebody harm

if they don't crack down, it will only encourage other jockeys to do the same

Where do we draw the line between bad riding, unbalanced horses and CHEATING... If I purposely interfere with another runner who is to say that it was not based on a monetary gain? Best the stipes become sensible and rewrite the rules for the good of the industry and the safety of riders and horses. Objections with these rules are like those soccer picture competitions where you have to decide where the ball is - How many times do you watch a race and 400m out you think you know the result only for the lead horse to stop over the last 50m or conversely fight on when it looks dead. Is it so difficult to make rules that preempt interference? If a jock knows he's going last if he crosses or bumps another horse would he not be more careful when making a run? And on the techno front can there not be a system that shows grid-lines on the recorded race to show clearly that horse A has crossed 2 horse-widths and thereby interfered with horse B...

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Re: Yes or No - Did the stipes get it wrong?

4 years 1 month ago

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mr hawaii wrote:

Pirhobeta wrote:

onyerway wrote: 55/45 decision in favour of Kennedy IMO, watched the main race incident for the first time today and it was Clairwod Park dejavu where Muzi brought down Fourie where they rewired that horses jaw, Yeni a good job jockey but he is reckless and going to cause somebody harm

if they don't crack down, it will only encourage other jockeys to do the same

Where do we draw the line between bad riding, unbalanced horses and CHEATING... If I purposely interfere with another runner who is to say that it was not based on a monetary gain? Best the stipes become sensible and rewrite the rules for the good of the industry and the safety of riders and horses. Objections with these rules are like those soccer picture competitions where you have to decide where the ball is - How many times do you watch a race and 400m out you think you know the result only for the lead horse to stop over the last 50m or conversely fight on when it looks dead. Is it so difficult to make rules that preempt interference? If a jock knows he's going last if he crosses or bumps another horse would he not be more careful when making a run? And on the techno front can there not be a system that shows grid-lines on the recorded race to show clearly that horse A has crossed 2 horse-widths and thereby interfered with horse B...

I agree Mr H...there are cases of purposeful blocking...they need to be tough so that there is no pay-off...thus I feel that the guilty party must be relegated to last...It will stop the niggle...

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Re: Yes or No - Did the stipes get it wrong?

4 years 1 month ago - 4 years 1 month ago

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I cannot agree with the owner being punished by placing a horse last because of the jockeys decisions. There is not enough 30 & 60 day suspensions of jockeys, especially those which take immediate effect.

One has to ask why and how the interference is so much less on tighter tracks in Hong Kong and yet SA racing looks more like gymkhana? Considering that some jocks have worked in Hong Kong makes it even worse.

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