GOLD CIRCLE VS PHUMELELA - INSIDE RACING

To clarify and I satnd under correction the Noseweek mentioned that M Jooste who is clearly ver afrikaans is Jewish. Therefore the comments having nothing to do with the Jewish faith but more to do with the coments made about Jooste being a Jew.

yet again kritsiotis has got it wrong regarding trainers getting questioned about first timers.him and mollet mentioned that in oz the trainers would knock your head off if they are asked..I GOT NEWS FOR THESE 2 EXPERTS AS IN OZ FIRST TIMERS TAKE PART IN 2 OR 3 BARRIER TRIALS BEFORE THEY MAKE THEIR DEBUTS AND THE RESULTS OF THESE ARE IN THE RACECARDS AND NEWSPAPERS..as for hong kong japan and the usa journos attend gallops everyday of the week .GET THE FACTS RIGHT KRITSIOTIS BEFORE YOU DO YOUR FAVOURITE HOBBY WHICH IS PATTING YOURSELF ON THE BACK.

Alcaponee Wrote:

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> Jack on giving your posts a couple of reads I find
> a bit of contardiction in them . Talking on
> onwnership - On one hand you say that it is fine
> for M Jooste to have his fingers in all pies which
> allows him to influence what happens within the
> industry and on the other you say an owners only
> right is to race horses and pay fees etc. So if
> you own a single horse or part of it your rights
> as an owner are less than that of a larger owner.
> That makes me excited about owning a horse one
> day! Doomed before you've started.
>
> It is my understanding that owners with lesser
> degrees of ownership join organisations such as
> the RA to be able to influence decision making and
> protect their interests within racing and racing
> operations. If there only right is to race horses,
> then why have the RA etc. There is an obvious need
> for owners to be heard and rights to be upheld and
> therefore these associations are formed to protect
> these interests. RA etc- A watch dog so to speak.
> From what I can gather from what has been stated
> on this site, more like a lap dog or fetch dog.
>

Al

I never meant that owners have no rights.

I also understand that they are one of 2 groups who pay in racing rather than collect.

But it is true that owners never paid for the grandstands. They never paid for the racecourses. And when they acquire a racehorse, the purpose is ultimately to win money that has been put up by punters or sponsors, no one else and not owners as a group.

So for all the hardship and suffering of owners there is always about R300million for them to win, which just seems to be taken for granted. We forget it is supplied directly from the pockets of the very people we begrudge the occasional tip because the owner is paying the bills. (pls Cat, let me get away with it just this once).

So I am saying you don't only care about horseracing because you can afford to by a horse. Most enthusiasts would own a horse if they had the means, and in fact many owners state the reason they own horse(s) is because a parent was an enthusiast who couldn't afford one at the time. And that's why I say that 'owners' are just one of the groups, no MORE special because they have the wherewithal to own.

Isn't it time to acknowledge that spectators (as in golf, rugby, cricket, the Olympics) are just as important as the players (or 3300 colour holders)? Or do I go too far?

Thanks - Jack then the tripod comment above is exactly correct. We cannot have two legs in a tripod. The operator needs to understand this too and needs to continually feed the local market and not push virtual racing (UK, Aus, Npong, Mugabe Malaysian holiday fund etc) as much as they do. It might make good business sense to do away with all local meetings one day and let the mugs punt on overseas racing. Far less overheads.

Please can someone help me understand the following:

How does the flow of money on the tote flow? I.e In a P tote, does money earned on gold circle meetings go to GC or is money earned in a P tote proportionately paid to GC and P retains a percentage?

Cats:

What is horseracing without the punter?

U right!

Everyone else perambulating on the outskirts of manure-ity!

The majority of punters do not have access to 'insider info'; neither do they have that extra 'spend' to afford paying for tipsters (mostly useless anyway!).

Most of them also survive, day to day, hoping the next will bring them that great windfall! Where they get that little tom, only God knows!

But, without their collective small 'spend', can we even stage the event?