Vercingetorix

Blouperd Wrote:

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> Muhtiman Wrote:
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> > Doyen Wrote:
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> > > Well Done to the MDK team.
> > > The Dailey News was a strong field,great
> > finish.
> > >
> > > A couple months ago,In The Gig did an
> interview
> > > with MDK and the last questioned posed
> > > was...'Whats your next champion horse?'
> > > Reply....something along the lines...'i have
> > some
> > > exciting horses that havent run yet..'
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> > > But when this Master Trainer says he's unsure
> > if
> > > the horse will stay,we have to trust.
> > > From the balance of the field,only No Worries
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> > > Wylie Hall were staying on strongly.
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> > > Congrats also to G Woodruff/B Faydherbe on a
> > lucky
> > > win in the Wool G1.
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> > I beg to differ the field may have been
> > competitive......but certainly not
> > strong......Vercingetorix and CTN are very good
> > horses and have milers stamped all over
> > them.....when a horse like No Worries gets
> within
> > a short head to these 2 the race is by no means
> > strong......read the Computaform comments on No
> > Worries last 5 outings.....over lesser
> > ground.....over Turf 1800m Handy no
> > finish.....1450 In touch no finish....1600m In
> > touch no extra....1800m In touch no
> > finish.....Greyville Guineas1600m Led tired
> > late.....the pace on Saturday suited this one
> to
> > finish on top of Vercingetorix.....using a
> strong
> > line horse can give an indication of a strong
> > flield or formline......on the converse finding
> a
> > battling horse to finish on top of so called
> > stronger horses in my book.....throws that form
> > out of the window.....:S
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> Rememeber that No Worries was ridden off the pace
> for the first time and made a big difference with
> change of tactics , all other races he was pacing
> it out in front and ran way better with this
> adjustment , also the blinkers was up for 2nd time
> to help with the concentration. First time it was
> on they used wrong tactics by leading almost 4
> lenghs going through 400m against CTN and V over
> 1600m. Now only to work out exactly how many
> lenghs it made a difference .
> Some horses is much much better if settled from
> the back and some are much better gunning from the
> word GO.
> Compare my crazy theory to Flaming Rock and
> Surfing Home , SH never ran a place coming from
> off the pace and Flaming Rock never ran a place
> when making the pace. I dont know why it took GvZ
> so long to find out how the horse wants to run to
> true ability , must be kicking his own arse ,
> could have won a Grade 1 before this race

Mmmmmmmmm maybe??? but how do you explain Wylie Hall then?

some of you guys crack me up, everything else is allowed to

improve
run different
get better jockey
have an excuse
change tactics


BUT the horse that has had 4 starts and gone from maiden to G1 may NOT lol

RACE REPLAY

Agree with you & Easy and the other positives on this colt- this is a future GREAT!
Will take the July this year for sure!
CTN (and I'm a Kaapie who thought he'd come behind V.rix..?) and COTT don't stand a chance next month!

Leviathan

levi

welcome,

there are MORE negatives surrounding Vercingetorix

than the rest of the field and he still beat them. I can only dream when those negatives get sorted......

Both Vesign and CTN simply reproduced their kra guinea performances but the horses that impressed me were No Worries and Wylie Hall. No Worries improved a lot from his previous runs which makes him a serious contender if more has to come.

I was mostly impressed with Wylie Hall, first time Greyville, having to come from draw 13 and still had something in the finish. This horse is currently rated 98 and whatever the handicapper does his rating probably won't go up which means he will be getting weight from horses he effectively beat already....I will be pleasantly surprised if this horse is not the favourite now on...

rob faux Wrote:

> Mmmmmmmmm maybe??? but how do you explain Wylie
> Hall then?

He ran to ability , if you took him and Wild one the way they beat Tellina and Warhorse , Wild one was my very strong fancy on Saturday because when Wylie Hall beat him in trail Wild one was caught in a pocket and in Derby Bernard was many lenghs out of his ground at 600m and still Wild one finished like a train . He could have won both that races but on both occasions the jockey on board cost him. After a brilliant ride on Saturday from Bernard on Saturday on Do you Remember he rode one of his poorest rides on Wild one I had plenty e/w doubles on after DYR. He was suppose to sit about 5 lenghs from the leader but found himself sitting stone last and then he tried to get handier 6 horses wide from 800m around the bend but still way out of his ground and using the horse up he still ran on to run 6th , flying to end 3,5 lenghs behind winner. With better ride he could have run very very close , still fancy Wild one alot if making final field .
Hope it make sense Rob or explain/help where you see different ,-D

....now I see the replay I'm even more stumped.....No Worries and Wylie Hall seem to be actually eating up the ground while the 1st and 3rd horses seemed to be flat out.....:S...will have to watch it in PVR slomo on a bigger screen to see what to make of the runs.....

Blouperd Wrote:

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> rob faux Wrote:
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> > Mmmmmmmmm maybe??? but how do you explain Wylie
> > Hall then?
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> He ran to ability , if you took him and Wild one
> the way they beat Tellina and Warhorse , Wild one
> was my very strong fancy on Saturday because when
> Wylie Hall beat him in trail Wild one was caught
> in a pocket and in Derby Bernard was many lenghs
> out of his ground at 600m and still Wild one
> finished like a train . He could have won both
> that races but on both occasions the jockey on
> board cost him. After a brilliant ride on Saturday
> from Bernard on Saturday on Do you Remember he
> rode one of his poorest rides on Wild one I had
> plenty e/w doubles on after DYR. He was suppose to
> sit about 5 lenghs from the leader but found
> himself sitting stone last and then he tried to
> get handier 6 horses wide from 800m around the
> bend but still way out of his ground and using the
> horse up he still ran on to run 6th , flying to
> end 3,5 lenghs behind winner. With better ride he
> could have run very very close , still fancy Wild
> one alot if making final field .
> Hope it make sense Rob or explain/help where you
> see different ,-D

I don't disagree Blou...........in fact it confirms my point........... if Wylie Hall ran to his ability it confirms that we cannot get too far ahead of ourselves on Veringterox's EXPOSED form..........he may well be brilliant........... but not confirmed by Sat 's run!
(may be a bit premature for somebody to be tipping him for the Arc yet...............lol)

never tipped him for the Arc, but if we cant see horses run, attach ourselves and our imaginations to them then what can we do?

I posted that Karl had coaxed CTN to due to worrying about stamina.... that was straight after the race live... watched it now three times, and I was watching No Worries..... not CTN ... No Worries and Wylie Hall were cutting the front two down hand over fist. Vercing got first run on CTN . . . .but CTN was cutting him back at the finish. Nothing between these two at the moment with Vercing possibly having the more room for improvement.

Also saw the replay today and V gave quite a kick in the straight, CTN seemed to shuffle back a bit at the top of the straight and found his feet quite late on. Still would have expected CTN to sail past V the way he was travelling with about 50m to go but V seemed to give a little more close to home. CTN was still gaining on him but with more grind than glide, Wylie Hall on the other hand was ultra impressive when looking at who was finishing best.