So it's not exactly unexpected news that Yorker

Yorker was obviously given a run to ensure its fitness during quaratine/travel
The Public was certainly duped

Arrogant comments by Brugman. They like to think that they control all aspects of racing in SA

There were 70 nominations for the July, and 2/3 of those had next to no chance of getting a run. It has been no secret for some time that horses wanting to go on the M de K shipment out would have to miss the July. Ante post betting is high risk/ high reward. You get some right and you get some wrong. Yorker on MR 118 did not appeal to me at all- I much preferred Hill 54 to him on 114. Both are out, for different reasons, that's the game. No-one is forced to have a bet ante-post.
You can't blame big owners for keeping their options open to see what transpires, and to then make rational decisions to maximise their racing opportunities, both here an abroad.

I would love to see what bets the racing manager has for the july!

PeterD Wrote:

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> There were 70 nominations for the July, and 2/3 of
> those had next to no chance of getting a run. It
> has been no secret for some time that horses
> wanting to go on the M de K shipment out would
> have to miss the July. Ante post betting is high
> risk/ high reward. You get some right and you get
> some wrong. Yorker on MR 118 did not appeal to me
> at all- I much preferred Hill 54 to him on 114.
> Both are out, for different reasons, that's the
> game. No-one is forced to have a bet ante-post.
> You can't blame big owners for keeping their
> options open to see what transpires, and to then
> make rational decisions to maximise their racing
> opportunities, both here an abroad.


peter nobody is saying what they did was wrong as far as im concerned they can do what they want BUT for the good of the game LET THE PUNTING PUBLIC KNOW don't feed them shit and keep them in the dark...what he said to bon on Saturday and what he said in his statement in the press is totally contradictory..

and further more brugman knew fully well that the whole weight structure of the july depended solely on Yorker running or not and many punters would have taken this into account when placing antepost bets on other horses

harry hotspur Wrote:

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> PeterD Wrote:
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> > There were 70 nominations for the July, and 2/3
> of
> > those had next to no chance of getting a run.
> It
> > has been no secret for some time that horses
> > wanting to go on the M de K shipment out would
> > have to miss the July. Ante post betting is
> high
> > risk/ high reward. You get some right and you
> get
> > some wrong. Yorker on MR 118 did not appeal to
> me
> > at all- I much preferred Hill 54 to him on 114.
> > Both are out, for different reasons, that's the
> > game. No-one is forced to have a bet ante-post.
> > You can't blame big owners for keeping their
> > options open to see what transpires, and to
> then
> > make rational decisions to maximise their
> racing
> > opportunities, both here an abroad.
>
>
> peter nobody is saying what they did was wrong as
> far as im concerned they can do what they want BUT
> for the good of the game LET THE PUNTING PUBLIC
> KNOW don't feed them shit and keep them in the
> dark...what he said to bon on Saturday and what he
> said in his statement in the press is totally
> contradictory..


I agree - If you watched that race Saturday you would think Yorker was being readied for the July as his trainer said he had left something to work on for that race and the 1600m was not really what he needed now - Why not make it public knowledge after the race that he's going abroad? What's the big secret? So was Yorker 100% ready (not if you read the comments of his trainer) or did they expect a below average run so that his rating would drop?

This is what the trainer says 3 JUNE now all changed

(3 June 2014)
David Thiselton
Geoff Woodruff said that it looked at this stage that his big horse Yorker may be staying in the country for the season and running in the Vodacom Durban July. He reported the strapping, ever improving four-year-old Jet Master gelding to be “doing nicely” before his run in Saturday’s Gr 1 Rising Sun Gold Challenge over 1600m at Clairwood.
However, he added, “If Capetown Noir bring his “A” game on Saturday, he will be very hard to beat. We got a bit lucky to beat him in the Horse Chestnut. Beach Beauty is also a nice runner. I think Yorker might be leaning towards being better over 2000m now. He is also coming off the back of a hard campaign and I would like him peaking for the July.”
It has now been confirmed that members of a shipment of horses that will travel from South Africa to Dubai via Mauritius have to be in quarantine by June 8, which would rule them out of the July. Yorker’s inclusion on that shipment has been up in the air for a long time, but listening to Woodruff it would appear that the connections are now favouring him staying here, at least for the time being.

Thank the Lord I never back Ante or I would have had a bet after that run Saturday

Garth, you might do well to take note that not only "Brugman" is unhappy with the handicappers at present. And when you do, it has nothing to do with "they" who want to control racing....
Aside from those who are clueless or who are scared shitless by the authorities, the rest are most unhappy and believe that Owners and Punters will be better served by proper handicapping.

Rather than having a go at those who speak out, do us all a favour and find us a list of Trainers who actually endorse the current application of handicapping by the handicappers...

Wonder why the NHA are having a workshop on handicapping if nothing is wrong.....?

louisg Wrote:

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> Garth, you might do well to take note that not
> only "Brugman" is unhappy with the handicappers at
> present. And when you do, it has nothing to do
> with "they" who want to control racing....
> Aside from those who are clueless or who are
> scared shitless by the authorities, the rest are
> most unhappy and believe that Owners and Punters
> will be better served by proper handicapping.
>
> Rather than having a go at those who speak out, do
> us all a favour and find us a list of Trainers who
> actually endorse the current application of
> handicapping by the handicappers...
>
> Wonder why the NHA are having a workshop on
> handicapping if nothing is wrong.....?


Louis Louis Louis.... MR a load of cr@p .... I been saying that for years and yes, some would have me amend that to say the 'applying' of MR the problem... not MR itself... but sorry.... for me is a den of iniquity ...{goodnight}

ratings are like rugby rules....if the ref needs it explained...it's too complicated for the players....

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> > IMO handicappers got it wrong again. KOP beat a
> > 118 and nett 117 by over a length and gets a
> 114.
> > Surely this isn't consistent when you consider
> > penalties other horses get. If you want to run
> in
> > Group 1's at level weights you should get the
> > rating you run to on the day. We often see
> horses
> > badly out at the weights picking up huge
> increases
> > for running 4th.
>
> I agree - Fluke or not you've got the Gr 1 and
> money now you should have to carry the pudding -
> there was really no interference or any other
> external factors that caused him to win(unless you
> count setting the pace as one)


I agree as well - would be interesting to hear the explanation - feasible that Yorker did not run to his rating (which is too high anyway imo), but for KoP to run to 114, all of Beach Beauty, Capetown Noir, Whiteline Fever and even Jet Belle had to run 3 to 4 points below their ratings

Also heard rumours that Beach Beauty will not be running in the July. How true is this?