Are the NHA acting with integrity wrt Mayfair/MJ?
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Re: Are the NHA acting with integrity wrt Mayfair/MJ?
7 years 4 months ago
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U need another dose of the facts. ( I love helping u right, because your dreams are clouding your bitterness filled judgement)
1)In many previous cases over the years, Owners have agreed to swop colours, without changing Ownership. For example, if u or maybe a guy called Steve and myself had a horse together, we could agree to something like first year or first win in his colours and second win or year in mine. The NHRA have nothing to do with this.
2)So, after first win or first year, we submit a colour change.... NHRA simply processes the paper. Simple.
3)Now, you wont get any points for deducing that the colour changes on Met Day were beneficial to Racing, as these got rid of the Mayfair colours on the day, for political peace sake, as did the use of Club Colours.....So, your continued claims that NHRA did something underhanded, are just a reflection of your bitterness. They DID NOT NEED TO ! Those horses would have raced in Club Colours anyway !
If you like, I could type this over, but slower , with double spaces and with more basic details, so that u can grasp the elementary. Simply ask. Dont be embarrassed. We all get it completely wrong at times. Thats Life !
WELL DONE NHRA, for doing a GREAT JOB, by the book and by the Law, on Met Day.
U need another dose of the facts. ( I love helping u right, because your dreams are clouding your bitterness filled judgement)
1)In many previous cases over the years, Owners have agreed to swop colours, without changing Ownership. For example, if u or maybe a guy called Steve and myself had a horse together, we could agree to something like first year or first win in his colours and second win or year in mine. The NHRA have nothing to do with this.
2)So, after first win or first year, we submit a colour change.... NHRA simply processes the paper. Simple.
3)Now, you wont get any points for deducing that the colour changes on Met Day were beneficial to Racing, as these got rid of the Mayfair colours on the day, for political peace sake, as did the use of Club Colours.....So, your continued claims that NHRA did something underhanded, are just a reflection of your bitterness. They DID NOT NEED TO ! Those horses would have raced in Club Colours anyway !
If you like, I could type this over, but slower , with double spaces and with more basic details, so that u can grasp the elementary. Simply ask. Dont be embarrassed. We all get it completely wrong at times. Thats Life !
WELL DONE NHRA, for doing a GREAT JOB, by the book and by the Law, on Met Day.
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Re: Are the NHA acting with integrity wrt Mayfair/MJ?
7 years 4 months ago
If you canvassed 500 impartial individuals and presented the case/facts(irrespective of guilt or innocence) before them and asked them based on the public outcry/negative social media posts/online and print media and asked them if the said entity/individual was bringing the NHA into disrepute, believe me the majority would most certainly answer in the affirmative.
The NHA should do what most companies/entities would do when confronted with such a crisis,suspend the the entity/individual involved until guilt or innocence is proven eitherway.
The NHA should do what most companies/entities would do when confronted with such a crisis,suspend the the entity/individual involved until guilt or innocence is proven eitherway.
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Re: Are the NHA acting with integrity wrt Mayfair/MJ?
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Ok Felix...so if a 5 percent partner in a horse brings racing into disrepute and then resigns from the partnership and hands in his colours, exits racing.......you would suspend the rest, the remaining 95 percent of the partners, with no evidence that they have done anything wrong but just in case they might have...?
Ummmm.... LOL !!!
Ummmm.... LOL !!!
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Re: Are the NHA acting with integrity wrt Mayfair/MJ?
7 years 4 months ago - 7 years 4 months agolouisg wrote: OTA
U need another dose of the facts. ( I love helping u right, because your dreams are clouding your bitterness filled judgement)
1)In many previous cases over the years, Owners have agreed to swop colours, without changing Ownership. For example, if u or maybe a guy called Steve and myself had a horse together, we could agree to something like first year or first win in his colours and second win or year in mine. The NHRA have nothing to do with this.
2)So, after first win or first year, we submit a colour change.... NHRA simply processes the paper. Simple.
3)Now, you wont get any points for deducing that the colour changes on Met Day were beneficial to Racing, as these got rid of the Mayfair colours on the day, for political peace sake, as did the use of Club Colours.....So, your continued claims that NHRA did something underhanded, are just a reflection of your bitterness. They DID NOT NEED TO ! Those horses would have raced in Club Colours anyway !
If you like, I could type this over, but slower , with double spaces and with more basic details, so that u can grasp the elementary. Simply ask. Dont be embarrassed. We all get it completely wrong at times. Thats Life !
WELL DONE NHRA, for doing a GREAT JOB, by the book and by the Law, on Met Day.
Louis you are clearly impaired or have not taken the time to read what I say.
I have no argument with what you say about Tom, Dick and Harry in your yard playing musical chairs with the colours a horse races in. What you and I are both saying is that there is a rule in place ( highlighted in my previous post ) and confirmed by Your second point in your post, that a process is followed involving a NHA form, and a monetary charge no doubt. This change is then published in the weekly Registrations and changes list managed by the NHA.
This has not taken place.
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Re: Are the NHA acting with integrity wrt Mayfair/MJ?
7 years 4 months ago
......are club colours being used at other venues besides that on Met day.....in other words have the NHRA followed through or was this concession only to fool the would be protesters on the day
.....I have not been watching much racing but audio steaming atm.... but do see my online race cards still have that green black and gold is still shown on some Mayfair carded runners.... :huh:
.....I have not been watching much racing but audio steaming atm.... but do see my online race cards still have that green black and gold is still shown on some Mayfair carded runners.... :huh:
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7 years 4 months ago - 7 years 4 months agolouisg wrote: Ok Felix...so if a 5 percent partner in a horse brings racing into disrepute and then resigns from the partnership and hands in his colours, exits racing.......you would suspend the rest, the remaining 95 percent of the partners, with no evidence that they have done anything wrong but just in case they might have...?
Ummmm.... LOL !!!
This is not an argument for or against. Just an anecdote from an incident I was peripherally involved in a few years ago. Perhaps it might help put things into perspective.
An owner in my neck of the woods got into financial trouble. He owned shares in various horses and at the time, our authorities saw fit to suspend the horses that he owned shares in, including a promising young colt which the remaining partners - all in good standing - wanted to run in a minor feature. The colt was barred from running and the remaining partners were prejudiced because the authorities were hell bent on punishing this particular person (who, to the best of my knowledge never dragged racing into the tabloids, 6 o'clock news or stirred the ire of local workers' unions to the point of threatening to disrupt a major racing event). At the time, the authorities even went as far as barring the transport companies from moving this person's horses and further threatened another trainer with cancellation of his stable lease for the great crime of temporarily housing this individual's horses while he tried to make a plan for them.
If you put the two incidents side by side, they look a little out of whack. This is only one incident. There are many more examples.
Rightly or wrongly (and it's fair to say that I am not in full possession of the facts in either of these cases), disparities like this unfortunately come across as one set of rules for some people and a different set for others. It's not good for the regulator and it's not good for the sport.
It's less a question of the personalities involved, and more a question of whether our rules and regulator, who are supposedly there to ensure that everyone gets treated fairly and equitably, are doing their job correctly.
There is no perfect system and of course the NHA have an unenviable job, but at the same time, the system is designed to be adaptable (as we see with rules being changed or brand new rules being invented on a weekly basis). Unfortunately, it currently seems that the system is only adaptable from one direction.
A lot of the rules seem to be implemented without due input from the folks on the ground - the very people they affect and are supposed to protect. I believe there should be more dialogue. Despite the statements made in the latest NHA newsletter, I think I can safely say that the majority of people find it very difficult to be heard by the NHA and that we still see far too much playing of the man, rather than the ball.
So we end up airing our views elsewhere - such as here - because there simply isn't any other workable platform (yes, I know there is an annual AGM, but who can wait for a once a year opportunity to air an opinion, which will then only be minuted in 12 months' time?)
If the NHA are happy to a) invent and implement rules, as well as fining and punishing people for the most insignificant infractions, they ought to be amenable to commentary and feedback from the people they regulate and the same ought to be applicable to them. Until such time as that happens, we'll keep having this kind of discussion in the vain hope that the pressure of public opinion might cause a re-think as nothing else seems to have been effective so far.
And I suspect that is the real point OTA is trying to make.
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Re: Are the NHA acting with integrity wrt Mayfair/MJ?
7 years 4 months ago
Well said Zsuz and thank you I had forgotten about the Steinberg episode.
Louisg you trained for the man, perhaps you can cheer on the NHA about that episode, I'm sure you believe they did a GREAT JOB, by the law there as well?
Louisg you trained for the man, perhaps you can cheer on the NHA about that episode, I'm sure you believe they did a GREAT JOB, by the law there as well?
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Re: Are the NHA acting with integrity wrt Mayfair/MJ?
7 years 4 months ago
Like most people I don't believe that I am privy to all the facts - but as Zsuz says, the impression here is that what is good for the Goose is not necessarily good for the gander :ohmy:
As far as I can tell the NHA bent (at least) the rules in this case, and as loud as LG protests, the IMPRESSION is that in other cases EVERY SINGLE LITTLE sub-rule is followed .... all depending on the person(s) involved
As far as I can tell the NHA bent (at least) the rules in this case, and as loud as LG protests, the IMPRESSION is that in other cases EVERY SINGLE LITTLE sub-rule is followed .... all depending on the person(s) involved
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7 years 4 months agoFrodo wrote: Like most people I don't believe that I am privy to all the facts - but as Zsuz says, the impression here is that what is good for the Goose is not necessarily good for the gander :ohmy:
As far as I can tell the NHA bent (at least) the rules in this case, and as loud as LG protests, the IMPRESSION is that in other cases EVERY SINGLE LITTLE sub-rule is followed .... all depending on the person(s) involved
.....you beat me to it.....Goose take a gander and see that Mayfair/Jooste are still getting preferential treatment.....which is not totally fair....I remember the Steinberg saga well... :whistle:
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Re: Are the NHA acting with integrity wrt Mayfair/MJ?
7 years 4 months ago - 7 years 4 months ago
As i have pointed out previously,Lyndon Barends is a Jooste man, as with many others in high places. The NHRA has allowed a man to race his syndicate horses when he has relinquished his colours and MEMBERSHIP to the authority in charge of horse racing.
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Re: Are the NHA acting with integrity wrt Mayfair/MJ?
7 years 4 months ago - 7 years 4 months ago
Difference between Stienberg and Mayfair in the eyes of the NHRA is one(ms)paid their way and doesn’t owe the racing community the other (KS) owed everyone?
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Re: Are the NHA acting with integrity wrt Mayfair/MJ?
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.....Jooste/Mayfair might not owe racing anything yet....but who has sanctioned that they(racing) are a preferential creditor and should be paid up with the proceeds of the sales and stakes while a the mountain of debt left in trying to finance his racing interests.....should be no difference in these 2 cases in the eyes of the NHRA and racing in general....pot, kettle, goose, gander....Jooste should not be placed above it all... :whistle:
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