TCO2 ANALYSIS AND THE USE OF ALKALINISING AGENTS
- Sylvester
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qric.qld.gov.au/stewards-reports/tco2-levels/
queenslandracingintegritycommission.crea...27B22540EF23F30FEDED
integrity.thetrots.com.au/rules/elevated-tco2-levels-list/
integrity.thetrots.com.au/rules/policies...s-as-of-july-1-2021/
canadianthoroughbred.com/magazine/busine...es-run-their-course/
read this one!!!! Canada
canadianthoroughbred.com/magazine/health...2-levels-racehorses/
And then read this one!!!! Also Canada
Ozzie state rules and transparency.
queenslandracingintegritycommission.crea...27B22540EF23F30FEDED
integrity.thetrots.com.au/rules/elevated-tco2-levels-list/
integrity.thetrots.com.au/rules/policies...s-as-of-july-1-2021/
canadianthoroughbred.com/magazine/busine...es-run-their-course/
read this one!!!! Canada
canadianthoroughbred.com/magazine/health...2-levels-racehorses/
And then read this one!!!! Also Canada
Ozzie state rules and transparency.
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- Elmo
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11 months 3 weeks ago
Maybe we should report this matter to the Hawks as their is no fair play
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11 months 3 weeks ago
or control our addiction and get everbody not to punt for a month
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11 months 3 weeks ago
Has any horse failed a tco2 test on 2 separate racedays?...I have seen many get scratched and then the next time they run no issues....main defender, prime example, miss Hannigan, Resurgance etc... I'm trying to explain how a horse fails because of some reason but the next time it runs that reason is no longer a factor.... are the tests faulty or is something that the horse injested no longer being fed...legal or otherwise...the idea that a nervous horse would have a higher reading also confuses me unless in 2 weeks a horse suddenly is taught how to be calm and accept the tests...either the machines are faulty or something external is breaking the threshold...the question then should be ...find out what is common to all these horses that break the level.....if a horse is consistently tested and shows high levels and it is proven that the horse has a naturally high level then that's what we should expect....but when a horse fails one week and then passes multiple times thereafter then that is a reason for concern
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- Brendanr
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11 months 3 weeks ago
Full agree with Mr H. If t's behavioural, then surely the same horse should test repeatedly, even if not every time at the track? Also, it seems to be most commonly hot pot favourites or heavily punted horses, in most cases. Trying to establish a patern would definately assist in understanding the shortcomings of the test (or it's effectiveness).
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- RacingG
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11 months 3 weeks ago
Not every horse is tested in every race.
They have random testing.
So , I would imagine that in their randomness , the horses near the top would most likely be on their list , hence the appearance that its mostly the shorter priced horses.
However the more interesting statistic would be when every horse in every race is tested, and we know that if that were to happen , 2 things will occur.
More scratchings and a race every 2 hours .
So the more and more you start to question this , the more it shows that in their willingness to do "right" the more they kept shooting themselves in the foot.
THE BIGGEST TRADEGDY IN THIS WHOLE EPISODE , THEY FORGOT ABOUT THE PUNTER AND FOR THAT THEY NEED TO ANSWER
They have random testing.
So , I would imagine that in their randomness , the horses near the top would most likely be on their list , hence the appearance that its mostly the shorter priced horses.
However the more interesting statistic would be when every horse in every race is tested, and we know that if that were to happen , 2 things will occur.
More scratchings and a race every 2 hours .
So the more and more you start to question this , the more it shows that in their willingness to do "right" the more they kept shooting themselves in the foot.
THE BIGGEST TRADEGDY IN THIS WHOLE EPISODE , THEY FORGOT ABOUT THE PUNTER AND FOR THAT THEY NEED TO ANSWER
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11 months 3 weeks ago
Not every horse is tested for TC02 ? I had no idea this is how it worked 🥺
So what percentage of the field is tested ?
So what percentage of the field is tested ?
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- Elmo
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11 months 3 weeks ago
Commentator normally announces before the start that all horses tested and announces outcome of testing .
NHA's silence on this matter is a problem.What about the trainers association ? Why are they silent on this matter .Is this a case off telling punters take what we dish out to you .
The way matters stand ,no one can be confident about banking a horse in the exotics especially after Leg1 .
Here's hoping this matter is resolved before the July .Would hate to see a favourite being scratched .
NHA's silence on this matter is a problem.What about the trainers association ? Why are they silent on this matter .Is this a case off telling punters take what we dish out to you .
The way matters stand ,no one can be confident about banking a horse in the exotics especially after Leg1 .
Here's hoping this matter is resolved before the July .Would hate to see a favourite being scratched .
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11 months 3 weeks ago
Always go to the source...the trainers should know what is going into the horses in their care...and maybe there is some commonality there that is resulting in the elevated (??) levels leading to scratchings...
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11 months 3 weeks agoqric.qld.gov.au/stewards-reports/tco2-levels/
queenslandracingintegritycommission.crea...27B22540EF23F30FEDED
integrity.thetrots.com.au/rules/elevated-tco2-levels-list/
integrity.thetrots.com.au/rules/policies...s-as-of-july-1-2021/
canadianthoroughbred.com/magazine/busine...es-run-their-course/
read this one!!!! Canada
canadianthoroughbred.com/magazine/health...2-levels-racehorses/
And then read this one!!!! Also Canada
I wonder if a similar crisis of the discontinuation of reagents has befallen the NHRA to prompt them in going headlong to the more portable but less accurate devices that do not use the pricey but scarce reagents instead a single use cartridge system.....those new hand held portable devices cost around a ZAR100K each and the single use cartridges around R400 per sample tested .....and now try to do 20 horses minimum per meeting and average 25 meetings a month = ZAR2.4BAR/pa....can racing really afford to sponsor these increased costs....
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- TNaicker
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11 months 3 weeks ago
Race 3 and 4 at Graveville today have odds on favourites...will they be scratched after the start of the PA and P6? Cannot banker anything but those in the know can probably go short in those legs...not a level playing field and borderline theft of punter's money...
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11 months 3 weeks ago
the scariest thing as far as i know and i could be wrong is that the testing is done with a little pricking machine , similar to the one i use to check my blood sugar at home. when i go for my six monthly the lab results are often quite different to my home tests so the question is - how well calibrated are the little testing machines and have they sent any samples to the lab for confirmation ? what if the little portables are different from centre to centre ?
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