R3000 to watch TT

I probably haven't been around racing long enough to comment but going to comment anyway. What defines this death of racing you all speak of that is happening? Are the pools diminishing? Are there less owners, horses, jockeys? I just don't understand where all the negativity comes from. I am not arguing the fact that Phum are ripping whoever off but they are a company doing what is best for shareholders. Isn't that what all companies do?

If you look at all sports, there has been a down turn in live attendance. Economics, the fact that supersport offers us live footage, are both contributing factors. Sharks can't full the stadium unless it's a semi or final. I font know when last I saw a pal match outside of the Soweto derby with more than 10,000 people.

Anyway, on topic I'm super glad that we will have more local racing and what ever they need to do it I'm happy

What Louie is saying is correct TT will only televise local racing. A seperate decoder will be needed for international racing. If the bookmaker makes use of the Int racing he will have to pay 3% of his turnover

Richie77 Wrote:

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> I probably haven't been around racing long enough
> to comment but going to comment anyway. What
> defines this death of racing you all speak of
> that is happening? Are the pools diminishing? Are
> there less owners, horses, jockeys? I just don't
> understand where all the negativity comes from. I
> am not arguing the fact that Phum are ripping
> whoever off but they are a company doing what is
> best for shareholders. Isn't that what all
> companies do?
>
> If you look at all sports, there has been a down
> turn in live attendance. Economics, the fact that
> supersport offers us live footage, are both
> contributing factors. Sharks can't full the
> stadium unless it's a semi or final. I font know
> when last I saw a pal match outside of the Soweto
> derby with more than 10,000 people.
>
> Anyway, on topic I'm super glad that we will have
> more local racing and what ever they need to do it
> I'm happy

I would like to say that I could put it in a nutshell but not that easy.....besides all the peripheral crap of race course closures country wide and operators not acting in the best interests of horse racing etc....basically one cannot keep taking a cut of the turnovers without stimulating and satisfying the people putting money into the pools.....Louis and others claim that bookies are raping the sport by taking out far more that they put in which is not far from the truth but I would not use as strong an illustration as mentioned.....if we had no bookies like Hong Kong Singapore France etc.... our pools would be enormous or much much bigger than what they are at the moment then the horse racing model would be totally viable and thrive.....now the ability with a bit of technology now enables book makers to offer the same bets as the tote at tote odds so now it is not necessary for a betting lounge or online betting site run by bookies to have tote terminals as that can now offer everything without any betting turnover going into the betting pools and they shrink or stagnate but never grow.....all those exotic bets at tote value go straight into the book makers pocket because there are always more losing bets that winning ones and some bookies have software that could warn them of a possible exposure and they can make a call to lay off a bet that could cost them an unusably large pay out. With more and more people using bookies and their online facilities and less people putting more into pools the operator cannot pay stakes to owners and subsidise horse racing facilities etc and they will eventually fold....:

I have copied this off another thread that think illustrates the dilemma I am trying to explain in my previous post....if punters migrate from tote betting to the bookies only a matter of time for the tilt and operator not getting enough from pools

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> Justanotherpunter Wrote:
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> >
> > Having said that,the operators have access to a
> > large amount of information,especially with
> > regards to telebet account holders.We all have
> to
> > do FICA in order to have these accounts.
> >
> > I'm 44 now,I think I opened my telebet account
> the
> > moment I was legally allowed to,I had after all
> > been betting on horse racing since I was 13.
> >
> > I owned horses in my 20's already.
> >
> > When I tried to use my telebet account late
> last
> > year I was told it had been deactivated because
> it
> > had not been used for so long.That's fine I
> > said,just give me a new account.'But you are a
> > premium account holder' she says,you must
> > reactivate your old account.So I did.Then I get
> an
> > email to inform me that all Western Cape
> account
> > holders have to move to Phumelela.I already
> have
> > a Phumelela account though,so I phoned GC and
> > opened a new account with them.I prefer their
> > platform to Phumelela's,but at the end of the
> day
> > both are cumbersome in comparison to what the
> > bookmakers offer.
> >
> > My point is,I have been a customer of this
> > industry for 26 years.They may not have to
> answer
> > to me on here,but why in 26 years has nobody
> ever
> > called me to ask me what my suggestions
> are,what
> > I'm unhappy with,what I think could be done to
> > improve things.PGE know exactly who I am!
> >
> > There's a lot of I's in my last sentence,but
> this
> > actually has nothing to do with me.It has
> > everything to do with everyone else who is just
> > like me.
> >
> > Racing keeps talking about finding new
> > customers,but it continues to treat it's
> current
> > customers very poorly.
> >
> > They can hide behind the excuse that they won't
> > answer to people who hide behind pseudonyms on
> > here,but what's the excuse for ignoring those
> that
> > they do have the names of?
>
>
> Our ages are the same with almost the exact Racing
> pedigree(also owned since my late 20's and started
> punting early with my telebet Acc being one of my
> major achievements when turned 18 along with my
> driver's license!!) and I have not used my Telebet
> Account for maybe 4 years and have never got a
> call from Phumelela asking why I no longer use it
> or to offer me a reason why I should start reusing
> it so the "I" is way more than one or two people
> as Titch has pointed out before. There are masses
> of dormant accounts that could see an increase in
> turnover if only 20% of them were reactivated.

Have you guys seen the recent ads in the Computaform where they are looking for people to work on a commission basis to get people to open tote accounts.....laughable.....at one time I would have jumped at the opportunity.....but the way you and I are treated as past and existing customers..... I would rather introduce them to the open bet and a good bookie that will treat them a lot better.....I don't think that the open bet is at all fair..... as the bookies do not plough that contribution back into racing....but the operator is even more off side in not being able to offer what you and any new guys require

Please don't tell me this is true,I have moved to Betty's Bay about 2 months ago ,and if there is no telly track here ,what the hell will I do with my self,please I'll even listen to ( no nothing Vicky ) to keep telly track but no way will I pay to watch racing ,I'll learn to fish instead.

Sava, according to a few statements your local racing won't be affected

Thank goodness I would go mad here not even a tote,the nearest tote is 60km away , so I play on line

savasp Wrote:

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> Thank goodness I would go mad here not even a
> tote,the nearest tote is 60km away , so I play on
> line


They claim it is partly to stop the bookies using the international pictures

How hard would it be for the bookies to strike their own deal with the internationals and freeze phumelela out the market?

Ladbrokes showed American racing in the UK before the other bookies , pictures are streamed to their shops

What about the obvious question guys..................will Dubai racing be on 239 or on the new decoder?

rob faux Wrote:

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> What about the obvious question
> guys..................will Dubai racing be on 239
> or on the new decoder?


Not saying this is the answer to the above

But I can watch Racing international and they show Sa,HK,Zim and Dubai, so maybe Dubai is seperate from the UK and other international stuff

?......can't see it happening here......the places I have frequented are piggy backing straight off of that what the operators offer and mostly races that are televised......very few punters having a go on horses they cannot watch.......the operators only have themselves to blame by not keeping the access to betting product in check......the genie was out of the bottle from the jump as every Tom hurry and duck has access to a DSTV decoder......putting it back now by trying to control racing feeds.....not so easy.....because with the technology available for streaming more bookies have the muscle to align themselves to overseas counter parts and mirror anything and nearly everything that the operator has or will have to offer.....also nothing stopping punting Joe with telebet facilities lending uncle Harry a decoder to put in his shop.....:S

I think anything which is a production of TellyTrack is classified as "local". So Kenya, Zim and Maur will be here to stay on 239.