protecting the image of racing

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Re: protecting the image of racing

9 years 2 months ago
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elmer wrote: Sorry but cant agree with you regarding consistently being beaten
JHB and KZN fields are far weaker than CT

Look what Kannemeyer is doing in KZN Strike rate with mostly horses than could not
place in CT is 70% in places
The Whisperer actually gives the reason why the horse had to be included in all exotics

Elmer, your first statement is an opinion....not a fact. Hence the redt of your argument sort of falls flat for me

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Re: protecting the image of racing

9 years 2 months ago
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elmer is 100% correct, 2 min homework on the horse showed all, last time out stable uses champion jock and backs it in to 7/2 this shows the horse has been doing good work at home, it flops, now gives the trainer more time to get him ready, appie get the 2.5, Cape form shows good formlines so why did the horse open at 25/1?

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Re: protecting the image of racing

9 years 2 months ago
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He was a character you either loved or loathed. His commentaries were so boring they put you off to sleep before the words even drawled out of his mouth.He did cricket, rugby and football on some occasions.
When the unfashionable sire Commentary was bred to an unwanted unraced mare, he was the product.
And so on an eventful afternoon in Cape Town at Kenilworth Racecourse in 1985, the combination of trainer Michael Airey and jockey Grant Kotzen,both now late, together with the horse named Charles Fortune, conspired and caused a shock victory in the biggest event in the Cape calendar.Many top horses had their colours lowered by the winner including previous Met winner Arctic Cove and Sun Int.winner Spanish Pool amongst others.
Bred in Mooi River by Rondebosch Stud and racing in the partnership of GB (pip)Davies and Chairman of Jockey Club of S.a. Ronald Napier the win was a major triumph for the small Mike Airey stable with the attitude have horse, will travel paying off huge dividends.

Interestingly, there were no grumblings or questions raised about the result and nobody called for Ronald Napier to stop racing horses as a result of the shock win by Charles Fortune.

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Re: protecting the image of racing

9 years 2 months ago - 9 years 2 months ago
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"Interestingly, there were no grumblings or questions raised about the result and nobody called for Ronald Napier to stop racing horses as a result of the shock win by Charles Fortune."

Mike we are really talking chalk and cheese here. I would humbly submit that racing was far better policed in 1985 and that the Chairmanship of the Jockey Club was a far more ceremonial/administrative position that what it appears to be today. I would also ask what type of track record did Airey have when it came to positives and the use of buzzers on horses? Ronnie Napier is a man of unquestionable integrity. Lloyds of London do not appoint shady characters. He would not have horses with a trainer who has a very dubious history when it comes to doping and cruelty.
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Re: Re:protecting the image of racing

9 years 2 months ago
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What most people don't probably know is that whisperer doesn't only pick his horses on book form. He calls trainers and owners (not sure about jockeys) and ask them how the horses are.


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Re: protecting the image of racing

9 years 2 months ago
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I am confused because this thread sounds like sour grapes, from the pocket only and now the Owner and Trainer are being attacked by some.
My point is that we live in the info age, so surely all astute punters would have followed the money, noted the support in from 25's to 7 ' s. ..?

Maybe with a different Owner there would have been less fuss here on ABC ?

Also, in my experience, it doesn't take that much money to reduce long odds horses nowadays. If it were Alesh Naidoo's or maybe Lawrence Werners horse, for example, it would have started at 7 to 10 and would DEFINITELY NOT have opened at 25's. (I use those two Owners names with the utmost respect ).

So, from me it's a huge WELL DONE to Barend and to Mr.o Connor. It's so very important that the Chairman of NHA is an Owner, so that he can understand the many challenges which face us and I pray that some of the money on the horse was his. Because then he will also understand how the Punters feel.
For the record, I have been present at various meetings where Mr.o Connor has been very strong in his support of Punters and info being disseminated to Punters.
Finally, well done to my mate Matthew Stevens for tipping the horse. My only disappointment is reading here that Matthew phones the Trainers. So why doesn't he call me for info but calls Barend ? Maybe he is just good at what he does. ..

So guys, Winter is upon us, so PLEASE watch the betting, as we have a few coming (not Owned by Mr.o Connor), which will shorten from long odds.
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Re: protecting the image of racing

9 years 1 month ago
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Thanks "John Snow" we know !! :silly: :whistle:

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Re: protecting the image of racing

9 years 1 month ago
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louisg wrote: I am confused because this thread sounds like sour grapes, from the pocket only and now the Owner and Trainer are being attacked by some.
My point is that we live in the info age, so surely all astute punters would have followed the money, noted the support in from 25's to 7 ' s. ..?

Maybe with a different Owner there would have been less fuss here on ABC ?

Also, in my experience, it doesn't take that much money to reduce long odds horses nowadays. If it were Alesh Naidoo's or maybe Lawrence Werners horse, for example, it would have started at 7 to 10 and would DEFINITELY NOT have opened at 25's. (I use those two Owners names with the utmost respect ).

So, from me it's a huge WELL DONE to Barend and to Mr.o Connor. It's so very important that the Chairman of NHA is an Owner, so that he can understand the many challenges which face us and I pray that some of the money on the horse was his. Because then he will also understand how the Punters feel.
For the record, I have been present at various meetings where Mr.o Connor has been very strong in his support of Punters and info being disseminated to Punters.
Finally, well done to my mate Matthew Stevens for tipping the horse. My only disappointment is reading here that Matthew phones the Trainers. So why doesn't he call me for info but calls Barend ? Maybe he is just good at what he does. ..

So guys, Winter is upon us, so PLEASE watch the betting, as we have a few coming (not Owned by Mr.o Connor), which will shorten from long odds.

Fair comment, if we could trust that all shortening of odds are genuine, and not speculative by our brave bookies.

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Re: protecting the image of racing

9 years 1 month ago
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I agree with u 100 percent Thor !

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Re: protecting the image of racing

9 years 1 month ago
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Bob , can i humbly request a ARM of the year award poll on ABC, I can provide a list of nominees if required :whistle:

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Re: protecting the image of racing

9 years 1 month ago
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Craig Pienaar wrote: Bob , can i humbly request a ARM of the year award poll on ABC, I can provide a list of nominees if required :whistle:
have to agree craig theres a long list on here...plenty have missed my original point but nevermind we will all continue to believe that all is lekker in the industry and that it has a bright future...

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Re: protecting the image of racing

9 years 1 month ago
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Louis thank you for taking the time to respond. I agree with Pirates, it seems the original message has been lost. Well done to all of you that think these type of results aid this sport, and my sincere and humble apologies that I believe this sort of result drives more away than it attracts.

There are a few things that I would love to highlight. Firstly not all punters can follow the money as they work. So if you need to get that p6 on at your tea break at 10am, it is quite easy to leave the 25/1 shot out of your play, it surely is not fancied by the stable is it? It is all good and well saying follow the money, but when you not there to follow it what do you expect the reaction to be if this was the leg that was missed? Fat cats do not the majority of the betting pools make.

What has happened to the much heralded timing devices that were supposed to be introduced to South African racecourses? Why can we not have compulsory timed barrier trials and action against connections should the race a few days later show marked improvement? Why is it that certain people and here I target trainers and owners particularly, still feel they have a right to exclusivity on their horses chances? There is a very simple reason the pools are massive in the EAST, punters feel that they are having a fair run for their money with the information available. It is hardly the case here.
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