Small breeder ask Jooste why?

LG i hit enter before i read what wrote,i apologize.My comments were in reply to Multiman's earlier post and had nothing to do with you.Im not taking Gibson's point of view tonight,but he will not be up to the fight.Another point,another credit provider went belly up today,thats African Bank,Bridge(today) and JD very bad results presented a few days ago.Do the breeders need to be taken down this road and all their staff.LG I'm only trying to get fair option from both sides.I have personal axe to grind.

I understand that this war may cause problems but are some of the horrors not just perception.
One of the issues that seems to be creating concern---2 sales , 2 days apart!
What is the difference if CTS sell 150 horses on Friday And TBA another 150 on Sunday - they were always selling those horses both days...it's now just 2 sales , rather than one sale, over 2 days!!!
What am I missing?

Well put Rob. You missing absolutely nothing...
as usual......as much as I hate to admit it....

Two more full debtors books ,don't complain about non payers if you play into their hands.Dont complain on this site if in 6 months time you are scratching to put horses together.Im still getting calls from trainers asking me take a share from the last cape sale who was run by, I DON'T OR KNOW OR CARE.

....well things are far from clear or no clearer....after Mr Gibson explanations....I sense a big wait and see scenario....Whitehouse you have scratched on a very valid subject....buyer credit over extensions....now that a buyer can play between 2 sales houses that are not ready to co operate....the companies are going to be funding a possible bigger non or slow payment situation when buyers over extend purchases between 2 sales companies.....I recall some years ago Dr T complaining about a buyer who had not settled with her\TBA putting his horse up on a dispersal sale....the TBA threatened to withdraw his buyers card and he then coughed up for the initial purchase 18 months after purchase date.... :ohmy:

Credit control is a vital aspect of any business and it appears that it may not have been so well managed in the industry-remembering that racehorse ownership is mainly a status / ego thing it should be a piece if cake .......CURE:public defaulters list ........I bet just the threat would be enough most if the time.

Rob you say public defaulters list . Advocate Joubert and Bruss from jockey club are totally against Mr Wainstein attempting to collect from the none payers.This was a big help to trainers and service providers collecting money ,big money did not have to be spent on getting judgements and time wasting like through the current Nhra

whoah wrote: Rob you say public defaulters list . Advocate Joubert and Bruss from jockey club are totally against Mr Wainstein attempting to collect from the none payers.This was a big help to trainers and service providers collecting money ,big money did not have to be spent on getting judgements and time wasting like through the current Nhra

Whoah, I can't understand why racing seems to make it difficult on so many issues - if it works, do it........under the old Jockey Club you couldn't have colours unless you could prove affordability( they used to limit your number of horses to your financial status.)
Why the surprise that bad debts are up?

Further evidence of the failure of the replacement regulator to get the job done!

louisg wrote: And with all due respect Muhti, you would be streets ahead of Gibson. Breeding would benefit and u would make things happen . Just my honest opinion, as always.

....Aww gee thanks Louis....unfortunately that ship has sailed....spilt milk....no use crying....went full tilt at the TBA.....but what use now.... now that it is dying..... :whistle:

ordinary people have never been told who represented phum\ra at the concerned owners meeting,and told people if they don't like what's happening they must get out the game .so please tell us who this person was because just maybe it cts takes full control of all the sales in sa the small breeders fear they maybe told the same thing

louisg wrote: Correct O.T.Air - Racing South Africa (RSA) achieved absolutely nothing. Simple to understand. I notice that Peter Gibson, ex RSA, has now joined TBA/BSA. .. But, what a waste of money Racing South Africa was.... So, Don, I ask , " participation in WHAT" ? Another fund draining exercise, achieving exactly what ? Nothing HAS been achieved !
Ultimately, change is due !

Truth is that we need to show or go. ... We need to get WITH IT !

Louis, you have zero idea what Gibson and his team faced. What nobody understands is that the South African government are responsible for meeting the demands made by other countries for export compliance and in the case of horse exports, Racing South Africa (RSA) were only able to offer support as industry. With RSA funding ERC was able to develop a new test for AHS where a positive or negative was available in two hours instead of the previous three weeks – this is apart from the numerous other scientific advances made by ERC limited funding – just read Prof Ian Sanne’s reports on what has been achieved by ERC. RSA then worked with government in presenting a case to the World Animal Health Organisation (OIE) to change the AHS Code Chapter. The OIE duly changed the AHS code in 2012, a considerable achievement considering that the OIE only sit once a year, so there is only one chance per year to present a case. Now RSA had the "simple" (according to all of the ignoramuses in racing out there) of SUPPORTING GOVERNMENT to achieve the minimum compliance for AHS controls required by the OIE and all of the various trading partners before the export protocols could be changed accordingly. How would you have enjoyed that task Louis? You would not have had any control over decision making, all you could have done was offer support to government in strategy to control an endemic air borne disease carried by a midge that effects a massive area in a third world country. Thankless task if ever there was one and Gibson deserves a medal for lasting so long against a backdrop of continual criticism from people who knew absolutely zero about what he faced. By the way, there are many sectors in agriculture that have the exact same export problems that horse exports have due to the inability of the SA government to meet the minimum compliance.

Tipster....um.... so we are exporting directly now, on par with the rest of the World, due to RSA efforts ?
If not, we haven't achieved anything, no matter what spin we put on it.