Small breeder ask Jooste why?

Gentleman, like in the open letter the attack was personalised and again now. MJ, PG and all the others mentioned are people I would like to think have vested interests in our industry and recieve an income as such. Nice people.
Business is business and shouldnt lead to personal spats, unless you are not up to the challenge. In which case vacate the kitchen !

I merely came on here to defend comment by Louis that RSA had achieved "absolutely nothing" immediately proved him wrong with some facts and like Miedema should have realised the futility of debate with him a lot quicker. Adios.

Like many actions in racing this issue seems, on the face of it anyway, an emotional choice between the TBA & CTS companies and the people involved and a question of business.

What is being missed with all of this emotion is an opportunity for change. My opinion, and i cannot predict the future, is that the CTS company will drive the TBA into submission, rightly/wrongly so but what we will end up with is ONE strong sales company with a monopoly once again. As per usual this site will be the place that the same supporters of the CTS co. today will come to, to moan in the future.

In many ways this industry deserves what it gets.

Tip, I agree with most of all the arguements for and against in all aspects of the debate, just not the personal attacks. Solutions need to be found and I would like to believe our major role-players (not me,you or LG) are very much involved in their own way and at personal expense to find solutions. Their merits and performances over the years are very subjective and very hard to quantify (results) but all with the same objective. (profit)
We all have the right to voice our opinion's and that makes for an excellent and important debate.
Ps I wasnt singling you out Tipster and its also just my opinion on this matter.

Over the Air wrote: Tipster thinking that you know what is best for others based upon your personal opinion is arrogance pure and simple. I would love to have more Conditions Plates as they generally give the punter a better opportunity to identify bankers on the day. As for your defence of RSA is this defence of you friend Gibson or is this defence of an organisation that spent millions and have very little to show after a decade?

I recently wrote an article on the importance of taking measures to ensure plate races stand up and are not simply abandoned due to lack of runners as it is important that the best horses appear and their programs do not become victims of the simple need for turnover.

So Over The Air you were wrong in assuming that that was my own personal opinion, rather the debate was about turnover.

Lastly, Louis would perhaps be interested in this article I wrote quite a few years ago that was headlined Merit Rating is a handicap and he will notice that I brought up some of the same issues he did. However, rather than simply slinging off at the handicapper I wrote it in a constructive spirit as some of the problems with the merit rating system are as much an issue for the handicapper as they are for the connections. It is my opinion only that above average 3yos are not nearly as badly punished today as they were back then but I could be wrong.

Over the Air wrote:

ballie wrote: cts are certainly starting to flex their muscles and who controls cts.interesting to see if HA breeding establishment gets incorporated into klavervlei because i see he starting to own more horses with the other three

I see nothing wrong with this. Why is there not concerns about the shareholding and d irectorships in Phumelela?

what worries me whether what's happening is it really about business or power.my earlier question who the representive at concerned owners was not answered by anyone it's important to know,because him telling owners if they don't like what's going on they must get out the game.this tells you that he does not have the game at heart and that his a bully then the leader of concerned group gets a high position in the game.that tellsyou he can buy anybody.there have plenty big owners in the past who have invested alot money in this game but have never tried to take such control of racing.if it's about power there will be alot of casualties such as small breeders,small trainers,lesser jocksand if anything goes wrong these mens lifes continues as usual and these poor peoples are ruined

ballie wrote:

Over the Air wrote:

ballie wrote: cts are certainly starting to flex their muscles and who controls cts.interesting to see if HA breeding establishment gets incorporated into klavervlei because i see he starting to own more horses with the other three

I see nothing wrong with this. Why is there not concerns about the shareholding and d irectorships in Phumelela?

what worries me whether what's happening is it really about business or power.my earlier question who the representive at concerned owners was not answered by anyone it's important to know,because him telling owners if they don't like what's going on they must get out the game.this tells you that he does not have the game at heart and that his a bully then the leader of concerned group gets a high position in the game.that tellsyou he can buy anybody.there have plenty big owners in the past who have invested alot money in this game but have never tried to take such control of racing.if it's about power there will be alot of casualties such as small breeders,small trainers,lesser jocksand if anything goes wrong these mens lifes continues as usual and these poor peoples are ruined

Ballie I have no idea what your point is. Who are the Concerned Owners? What have they to do with a struggle for dominance of the horse sales arena?

I see nothing wrong with this. Why is there not concerns about the shareholding and d irectorships in Phumelela?[/quote]
what worries me whether what's happening is it really about business or power.my earlier question who the representive at concerned owners was not answered by anyone it's important to know,because him telling owners if they don't like what's going on they must get out the game.this tells you that he does not have the game at heart and that his a bully then the leader of concerned group gets a high position in the game.that tellsyou he can buy anybody.there have plenty big owners in the past who have invested alot money in this game but have never tried to take such control of racing.if it's about power there will be alot of casualties such as small breeders,small trainers,lesser jocksand if anything goes wrong these mens lifes continues as usual and these poor peoples are ruined[/quote]

Ballie I have no idea what your point is. Who are the Concerned Owners? What have they to do with a struggle for dominance of the horse sales arena?[/quote]

.......OTA if you no nothing about the Concerned Owners saga then you cannot join the dots about total control and dominance that Jooste and the triumvirate hold over every aspect of racing....this salesgate saga being the latest power grab.....Why do you think that Dr T is making this passionate plea....why has she addressed this to Jooste.....because he calls the shots....power corrupts... absolute power corrupts absolutely :ohmy:

Tipster wrote:

Over the Air wrote: Tipster thinking that you know what is best for others based upon your personal opinion is arrogance pure and simple. I would love to have more Conditions Plates as they generally give the punter a better opportunity to identify bankers on the day. As for your defence of RSA is this defence of you friend Gibson or is this defence of an organisation that spent millions and have very little to show after a decade?

I recently wrote an article on the importance of taking measures to ensure plate races stand up and are not simply abandoned due to lack of runners as it is important that the best horses appear and their programs do not become victims of the simple need for turnover.

So Over The Air you were wrong in assuming that that was my own personal opinion, rather the debate was about turnover.

Lastly, Louis would perhaps be interested in this article I wrote quite a few years ago that was headlined Merit Rating is a handicap and he will notice that I brought up some of the same issues he did. However, rather than simply slinging off at the handicapper I wrote it in a constructive spirit as some of the problems with the merit rating system are as much an issue for the handicapper as they are for the connections. It is my opinion only that above average 3yos are not nearly as badly punished today as they were back then but I could be wrong.

Tipster, interesting that everything you wrote "a few years ago" still holds true today ,as absolutely nothing has changed.
You may have noticed therefore that your constructive spirit is as useful as a "hearty vote of thanks to the staff" when dealing with the establishment!
Do you not perhaps understand then, the frustrated tone that often eminates when dealing with those clowns!

rob faux wrote:

Tipster wrote:

Over the Air wrote: Tipster thinking that you know what is best for others based upon your personal opinion is arrogance pure and simple. I would love to have more Conditions Plates as they generally give the punter a better opportunity to identify bankers on the day. As for your defence of RSA is this defence of you friend Gibson or is this defence of an organisation that spent millions and have very little to show after a decade?

I recently wrote an article on the importance of taking measures to ensure plate races stand up and are not simply abandoned due to lack of runners as it is important that the best horses appear and their programs do not become victims of the simple need for turnover.

So Over The Air you were wrong in assuming that that was my own personal opinion, rather the debate was about turnover.

Lastly, Louis would perhaps be interested in this article I wrote quite a few years ago that was headlined Merit Rating is a handicap and he will notice that I brought up some of the same issues he did. However, rather than simply slinging off at the handicapper I wrote it in a constructive spirit as some of the problems with the merit rating system are as much an issue for the handicapper as they are for the connections. It is my opinion only that above average 3yos are not nearly as badly punished today as they were back then but I could be wrong.

Tipster, interesting that everything you wrote "a few years ago" still holds true today ,as absolutely nothing has changed.
You may have noticed therefore that your constructive spirit is as useful as a "hearty vote of thanks to the staff" when dealing with the establishment!
Do you not perhaps understand then, the frustrated tone that often eminates when dealing with those clowns!

The solutions might lie in the programming so am not sure the handicappers are to blame. The handicappers do at least appear to drop 3yo merit ratings quicker these days.

My probably over simplified view is that if racing loses the small punter, small owner, small trainer, small breeder etc and only has a few big studs, punters, breeders, trainers etc, racing will die. Racing to me is a bit like a pyramid, you need a wide base to support the pinnacle on top. Kill or get rid of the small man in this game we love and it will tipple over and die.

Craig Eudey wrote: My probably over simplified view is that if racing loses the small punter, small owner, small trainer, small breeder etc and only has a few big studs, punters, breeders, trainers etc, racing will die. Racing to me is a bit like a pyramid, you need a wide base to support the pinnacle on top. Kill or get rid of the small man in this game we love and it will tipple over and die.

.....simple, but on the money.....